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To: deport

This is an issue that does not bother me. First, most felons won’t bother to vote. They will be too busy committing new felonies. For a drug dealer, it really does not matter who is in charge. They carry on as usual.

Second, if someone has paid his debt to society, then why should he (or she) be punished further? Some felons do reform, so they should be accorded the same rights as other citizens.


6 posted on 12/15/2018 7:24:30 AM PST by Pining_4_TX ("Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods." ~ H.L. Mencken)
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To: Pining_4_TX

Second, if someone has paid his debt to society, then why
should he (or she) be punished further?

**************

That is the central question about the proposal. Which
rights are restored after certain felonies.


7 posted on 12/15/2018 7:28:55 AM PST by deport
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To: Pining_4_TX

This is an issue that does not bother me.”

And third - in Florida it matters more who counts the votes more that who actually won.


10 posted on 12/15/2018 7:41:34 AM PST by Dennis M.
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To: Pining_4_TX

It isn’t about them voting. It is about REGISTERING to vote. Then, when they don’t use their vote, the Dems will have SOMEONE ELSE cast that felon’s registration.

This is why every even of any sort will have a D Party Voter Registratration table.


14 posted on 12/15/2018 8:10:18 AM PST by reformedliberal
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To: Pining_4_TX
...Second, if someone has paid his debt to society, then why should he (or she) be punished further? Some felons do reform, so they should be accorded the same rights as other citizens...

Since part of the penalty for criminal behavior was permanent loss of voting rights, this part of the "debt to society" had not yet been paid.

You are falling into the liberal trap that proclaims completing a prison term pays the "debt to society" in full. Even if we eliminate the old loss of voting rights penalty, in many instances, a sentence will include both a prison term and restitution for the economic damage caused by criminal behavior. Hopefully, the Florida legislature will demand that monetary restitution must be completely paid before voting rights are restored.

I sincerely hope that the legislature fulfills their responsibility here and looks at the restitution part of the criminal sentence. Possibly even increasing restitution mandatory sentencing to include repayment of all economic loss from criminal acts, and damages for pain and suffering.

16 posted on 12/15/2018 8:13:45 AM PST by CurlyDave
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To: Pining_4_TX

“Second, if someone has paid his debt to society, then why should he (or she) be punished further?”

Standard Leftist line, sad that enough people on our side buy into it too - which is why it passed last November.

The bottom line is that permanently losing one’s right to vote was PART OF THE PUNISHMENT when the crime was committed. If you want to vote, then don’t be a felon - it was very simple.


17 posted on 12/15/2018 8:16:07 AM PST by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart - I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: Pining_4_TX
If you aren't just trolling FR, then, you should start getting worked up about letting felons vote.

The margins in Florida are so slim that this could push the whole US into permanent Rat rule.

Which is maybe what you want.

Looking at the bigger picture: Felons should permanently lose their right to vote. Bear in mind that until 1850 or so, the franchise was only for those citizens who had property. It wasn't given to just any citizen, and, certainly would not have been given to someone on the dole, or a felon.

It is beyond obvious that people on the dole should NEVER be allowed to vote.

Letting dependents of the federal government vote is the sand in the gas tank of our whole country's engine. You can see it now, in real time, destroy the USA bit by bit, like a cancer. More obvious if you were alive during Johnson's administration when the AIDS of Great Society programs was turned loose on the people.

Maybe after RW2 we can secure these three Bill of Rights Part Deux Amendments: 1.) No one on the dole votes. 2.) Only people with property or military service, or with a net worth greater than zero, are allowed the franchise. 3.) Felons lose the vote permanently.

23 posted on 12/15/2018 9:59:09 AM PST by caddie (Tagline: Guten Tag.)
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To: Pining_4_TX

They will be identified, rewarded & their votes harvested.

Hundreds of thousands. The difference maker.


26 posted on 12/15/2018 10:44:06 AM PST by Trumpisourlastchance
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