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1 posted on 12/23/2018 2:00:52 AM PST by vannrox
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2 posted on 12/23/2018 2:03:20 AM PST by vannrox (The Preamble to the Bill of Rights - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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There were 20 heavily armed guys at your door asking nicely for your weapon, to be turned over to them in the name of “law” as an effort of a government that wanted to calm down a chaotic situation.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

If so, politely request to see a court order of seizure and confiscation. Try to get a copy of it duly signed, along with the supporting signed affidavit if there is one.

No sense having a shoot out resulting in death, unless you have a whole gang of patriots with you. Larger numbers can make the police back down.

The 2nd amendment survives because of Freedom of Assembly and Freedom to travel.

Whatever you do, do not navigate so the seizure can be done in secret without public scrutiny.


3 posted on 12/23/2018 2:16:50 AM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.” ― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
4 posted on 12/23/2018 2:48:20 AM PST by Dr. Pritchett
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"There were 20 heavily armed guys at your door asking nicely for your weapon..."

That works when there are only a few people here and there with guns.
But with conservative estimates of about 1/3 of Americans owning guns - that's more than 100 million gun owners with 300+ million guns and a trillion rounds of ammo, and the news of confiscation occurring at the speed of electrons - don't see his scenario as sustainable.
Luckily, I'm not one of those gun-owners, so....

7 posted on 12/23/2018 3:28:35 AM PST by Psalm 73 ("I will now proceed to entangle the entire area".)
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His first premise is incorrect. I quit reading right there. The man is an idiot


10 posted on 12/23/2018 3:56:05 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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“We didn’t find anything illegal, But for your safety and our safety we are taking them all to the station and you can come pick them up there”.

2 years and 20,000 dollars in attorney fees later... Maybe...


13 posted on 12/23/2018 4:03:09 AM PST by Openurmind
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When the government tells you you don’t need those guns; that’s when you need those guns the most.


16 posted on 12/23/2018 4:28:27 AM PST by Boomer (Leftists destroy everything they touch)
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"There is, of course, the possible danger to get comments like 'What the hell do you know Selco? You are not American, shut up!'"

Selco, I'll disagree with you again here. ;-)

That was very well considered and well written with future possibilities for any nation in mind. Good job!

And yes, "Before destruction comes pride,..." (Solomon).


17 posted on 12/23/2018 4:35:07 AM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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I find it ironic that someone so concerned with gun rights would voluntarily move to a country where there are ... none.


20 posted on 12/23/2018 5:04:18 AM PST by Comment Not Approved (When bureaucrats outlaw hunting, outlaws will hunt bureaucrats.)
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Over 150,000,000 Americans have guns behind locked doors.

If the government ever chose to take those guns by force, a shooting war would erupt and we’d soon be forming a new government.


21 posted on 12/23/2018 5:05:27 AM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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In my family, the men and women carry. The trend in America is towards constitutional carry and ownership and use. The author is missing these key points, and more. The occurance of wild animal attacks is up in america, more people carry for self defense than ever. Firearms confiscation will never occur in America.


22 posted on 12/23/2018 5:12:57 AM PST by exnavy
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23 posted on 12/23/2018 5:15:04 AM PST by OttawaFreeper ("The Gardens was founded by men-sportsmen-who fought for their country" Conn Smythe, 1966)
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Suppositional. Selco brings a fresh look to our situation, but does not complete the story. If confiscation takes place, I believe it will be isolated pockets deep in liberal territories.


31 posted on 12/23/2018 6:02:25 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Q is the new V)
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It may not be Communism, or even particularly “progressive”, but gun confiscation is the first step to some kind of “command-and-control” type of ideology, and totally antithetical to any version of freedom and personal liberty.

“Surrender, Dorothy!”

Between the Wicked Witch and the Wizard, Oz was anything but a representative republic.


33 posted on 12/23/2018 6:05:18 AM PST by alloysteel (Man does not live by bread alone. He needs chocolate cake too.)
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Bttt


36 posted on 12/23/2018 6:20:24 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60's....You weren't really there)
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More information on Selco, SHTF School. Good stuff.

SHTF School

43 posted on 12/23/2018 6:41:34 AM PST by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting)
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20 bad guys showing up at your front door doing the second act of General Gage is gonna result in a few gun fights.

Won’t happen, unless they want to go against the world’s biggest armed force in the world, which is millions and millions of deer hunters against less than one million armed LEO.

that ain’t happening.

Practice my rights?

Nope.

I have more of that stuff. It’s not worth it to fight over the one they know about.

Besides the unfortunate boating accident....


44 posted on 12/23/2018 6:46:22 AM PST by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZGw2M)
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There will be a lot of government-initiated SWAT calls saying someone has serious concerns.......


50 posted on 12/23/2018 6:53:06 AM PST by trebb (Those who don't donate anything tend to be empty gasbags...no-value-added types)
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Social Credit Score. Owning a gun will reduce your SCS below the level that permits you to purchase ,say, gasoline or airplane tickets. You will be offered a way to increase your score by turning in your guns. The score will continue to decline if you continue to keep your guns to the point that food purchases get a surcharge and becomes too expensive for you to buy. This is all being brought to you by China and Google and Apple. It will be put in place along with the banning of non electronic money.


52 posted on 12/23/2018 6:58:53 AM PST by arthurus (bkkk)
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That would rile too many people up in the foreseeable future I think. Seems like their best plan is just to wait until we are much farther down the cultural slope and to keep as many people as possible obese and super-entertained in the meantime. Eventually only a very small % will be able to imagine getting off the couch much less willing to fight to keep their guns.

Freegards


60 posted on 12/23/2018 7:42:54 AM PST by Ransomed
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