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The Path to Give California 12 Senators, and Vermont Just One (barf alert)
The Atlantic ^ | 1-2-2019 | Eric W. Orts

Posted on 01/05/2019 5:13:44 AM PST by Impy

In 1995, Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan declared, “Sometime in the next century the United States is going to have to address the question of apportionment in the Senate.” Perhaps that time has come. Today the voting power of a citizen in Wyoming, the smallest state in terms of population, is about 67 times that of a citizen in the largest state of California, and the disparities among the states are only increasing. The situation is untenable.

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: New York; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: 17thamendment; 2018election; 2020election; article5; election2018; election2020; looneyleft; looneytunes; senate
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To: Impy

Assuming that the argument “the states gave their consent to Congress to pass laws concerning voting rights” could fly, there is still the problem of getting small state senators to vote themselves out of a job.

The real issue here is that the left does not like the political structure of the United States of America. They know they could design a system much better than the Founding Fathers. A political system that could and would act quickly on issues such as global warming, guns, and democrats losing elections.

Don’t know that I’d underestimate their zeal however. In 2008, the people of California voted to declare marriage to be solely between a man and a woman. It was the second time they voted for this. In 2018 a senator from California declared such an idea as “extreme” and that anyone who belongs to an organization that supported such an “extreme” view be disqualified from holding office.


41 posted on 01/05/2019 6:17:17 AM PST by hanamizu
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To: Impy

It’s how the Constitution set it up. Like it or go to somalia.


42 posted on 01/05/2019 6:21:19 AM PST by I want the USA back (There are two sexes: male (pronoun HE), and female (pronoun SHE). Denial of this is insanity.)
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To: Impy

They want a congress of the senate?


43 posted on 01/05/2019 6:22:26 AM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: GraceG

Maybe California could peacefully withdraw from the United States and keep for itself all the debt and illegal immigrants.


44 posted on 01/05/2019 6:27:59 AM PST by ActresponsiblyinVA
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To: Bartholomew Roberts
"The 17th Amendment needs to be repealed."

Amen brother..!

45 posted on 01/05/2019 6:31:48 AM PST by unread (Joe McCarthy was right.......)
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To: Impy

I think we should return to the Constitutional requirement that the State Legislatures elect the Senators, not the popular vote of the state’s citizens. THAT would be a GREAT idea!


46 posted on 01/05/2019 6:34:20 AM PST by originalbuckeye ('In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act'- George Orwell)
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To: originalbuckeye

I don’t agree. Politicians are a-holes who would make bad choices.


47 posted on 01/05/2019 6:37:00 AM PST by Impy (I have no virtue to signal.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“Using smoky back room machine polotics to select Senatorial candidates was certainly bad.”

O.K. I’ll bite. Why was it “bad”? Who did they end up representing? Industries or interests that States found important? Evil captalists? What?

I think it was supposed to be the “Rich” and industrious. They would “protect” everyone’s right to individual property by selfishly protecting their own. The House was there to protect US against THEM.

But now, there is no protection of individual rights. It’s all about who can give away the most of someone else’s stuff to the “voters”.

The Founders tried, but I guess we’re just getting the slowed-down version of the French Revolution.


48 posted on 01/05/2019 6:37:27 AM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: ActresponsiblyinVA

[ Maybe California could peacefully withdraw from the United States and keep for itself all the debt and illegal immigrants. ]

As a resident of a state that is NOT California....YET.......

WHERE DO I SIGN?


49 posted on 01/05/2019 6:38:03 AM PST by GraceG ("If I post an AWESOME MEME, STEAL IT! JUST RE-POST IT IN TWO PLACES PLEASE")
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To: Impy

Anyone who has SERIOUSLY studied American history knows the incredible difficulty the founding fathers had when drafting the constitution.

One group desired a straight “democracy” the other a totally equal representation regardless of the size or population of the state.

The grand compromise of course was the House determined strictly by population and the Senate absolute equal representation regardless of population. It was genius and has served us amazingly well for 231 years. The 17th Amendment weakened this grand design but did not destroy it.

This is common knowledge for anyone who has had even the most rudimentary Civics/early American history exposure yet these so called experts appear to have no clue.


50 posted on 01/05/2019 6:41:17 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: traderrob6

I sure this prick knows, he just doesn’t care, he wants a “democratic” commie Senate by any means necessary.


51 posted on 01/05/2019 6:49:02 AM PST by Impy (I have no virtue to signal.)
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To: Impy

Why bother having senators?


52 posted on 01/05/2019 6:50:14 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Impy
Their more realistic plot to dick around with the Senate is to admit new states (Washington DC, Puerto Rico, USVI?)....

Don't forget Guam!

53 posted on 01/05/2019 6:51:11 AM PST by ptsal
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To: Impy
Because of an inability to verify the legal status of voters as citizens, California electoral votes should be null and void.

The counting of California's electoral votes negates the entire populations of Alaska, Idaho, Utah, Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, Iowa, Missouri and the independent district of Maine.

54 posted on 01/05/2019 7:06:14 AM PST by Baynative ("A man is not old until regrets take the place of dreams." - John Barrymore)
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To: Steamburg
Obama radical? Moynihan died in 2003.

And he was one of the best Senators in NYS.

55 posted on 01/05/2019 7:14:36 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Impy

No, we need to address the abortion that is the 17th Ammendment, that the early socialist, racist, Woodrow Willson passed off on a gullable country, turning the Senate into a second House of Representatives.

The State Governments need their voices in DC.


56 posted on 01/05/2019 7:18:18 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Disarming Liberals...Real Common Sense Gun Control!)
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To: PeteB570

Repeal the 17th Amendment.


57 posted on 01/05/2019 7:18:46 AM PST by DownInFlames (Galsd)
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To: Redleg Duke

Presidents have nothing to do with Constitutional amendments, other than advocating for or against them.

In any case, the 17th was passed by Congress in 1912, before Wilson was President and was finished being ratified only a month into his term.

I see him blamed for the income tax a lot also. As bad a President as he was he can’t be blamed for that either.


58 posted on 01/05/2019 7:34:15 AM PST by Impy (I have no virtue to signal.)
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To: Impy

Whatever university it was that gave this moron ANY degree let alone a PhD. ought to be immediately closed and bulldozed.

I am finding it difficult to find non-swear words to say how stupid I think this idiot is.

We should also bulldoze the University that hired the goober.


59 posted on 01/05/2019 7:40:53 AM PST by Agatsu77
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The equal value of the government of each state with relation to the federal government is the purpose of the fixed Senate seats. Population representation is reserved for the House seats.


60 posted on 01/05/2019 7:53:32 AM PST by USCG SimTech
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