Posted on 01/15/2019 11:55:21 AM PST by Blue House Sue
Theresa May has sustained the heaviest parliamentary defeat of any British prime minister in the democratic era after MPs rejected her Brexit deal by a resounding majority of 230.
Brexit-supporting Conservatives joined with opposition parties and the Democratic Unionist party to trounce the government in the “meaningful vote”, which the prime minister delayed before Christmas in the vain hope of winning over waverers.
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One border to rule them all.
They’re leaving. Its a hard Brexit than a soft landing.
Brexit is March 29 and requires no further action from Parliament.
Congratulations, UK! Its done.
Brexit is dead.
Yup. Parliament made the right decision.
The EUSSR will not have any further say over the UK as of March 29.
If they don’t want to negotiate a new soft Brexit deal, that’s on them.
The fact of British independence is non-negotiable.
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Thanks for your analysis. As a yank who has spent the better part of three decades in Canuckistan, I understand that I am ill-equipped to understand.
I wish them well, and am generally very glad that I didn’t end up an expat I Europe.
BTW—my father, a U.S. Navy ‘Nam vet, remains very grateful to Australia for her contribution. Thank you for your father’s service.
Your post is very interesting.
I am a student of the British Constitution, and like many Americans I have lived in the UK for a time.
How do you square the referendum (I mean the idea of it) with the sovereignty of the Crown in Parliament?
I mean, the Crown, Lords, and Commons do not exist because “We the People of the UK” delegated their sovereign powers to those institutions. Quite the opposite.
There were Saxon assemblies in the 900s, but Parliament as Parliament was created by Edward I and it derives its just powers not from the consent of the governed but from a Royal Warrant.
The last attempt to rule England without Crown, Lords, and Commons ended in disaster in 1660.
Since it’s pretty clear that majorities in the Commons and the Lords oppose Brexit, and since HM the Queen’s position is unknown and will (probably) remain so, by what right should the result of a referendum govern the future course of the EU-UK relationship?
Of course, my preferred solution is for Harry Windsor to lead a military coup, force the abdication of the Queen, exile Camilla’s favourite tampon to Bermuda to cultivate his gardens, and place William on the throne with Harry as Lord Protector, followed by hard Brexit - but this is not likely, as we know Mrs. Harry, the Duchess of Chlamydia, does not favor firearms.
However, it was clearly stated numerous times by Her Majesty's Government in the lead up to the referendum that it would treat the referendum as definitive and a promise was made to the electorate that Parliament would give effect to their will as expressed through the Referendum.
The Leader of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition also made a commitment to do this.
If Parliament does not deliver on these commitments, it will be the greatest failure of Parliamentary government in the United Kingdom since 1689 (since before there was a United Kingdom.
They are not constitutionally bound to do so. But it will still be a failure of government.
It would be a little different if this was a deliberate decision - if a strong Prime Minister had stood up and said "We're not going to do this." But it's happened because the Prime Minister is weak - and also because she made the monumentally stupid decision to throw away the outright majority the government had by calling an early election in 2017.
Good news for Brexit, because May’s deal would have rendered the UK a vassal state of the EU.
Now it’s hard Brexit or bust.
With what? They're a servant class and their masters confiscated their firearms long ago. With what would they go to war?
Well the military may split up into two camps and France has a ton of long rifles and shotguns.
What, pray tell, are they bound by?
“””Brexit is dead.”””
So Pres Trump was right AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He was against it when it was not cool to be
Speaking of May on a related matter, I Heard on Bongino today that some interesting Congressional testimony given by Bruce Ohr came out. Apparently, Steele was recruited again to give evidence in May 2017 on the discredited dossier to Ohr after Stelle was released by FBI. The idea was to rehash the info do it could now appear to come from Ohr.
The news is that when Ohr asked whether Steele could help out in May 17, Steele stated he would have to “ask his wife”. Of course his wife means nothing, but it does mean he wound have to ask British intel agencies and possibly British government.
So, what if the “wife” is Theresa May? Even if not, the idea that British government was active in aiding and abetting a rogue investigation to take down a sitting president is treason of the first order by DOJ, and a hostile act by a supposed friendly government against the US government.
Or a trench dug across Piccadilly.
Love, Nigel
Nothing.
Parliament is sovereign. Under the British constitution it is the ultimate authority.
Note - in saying that we need to be very clear on what we are talking about - colloquially, the House of Commons and House of Lords together are commonly referred to as Parliament, but when it comes to the constitution, there’s a little more to it.
That refers to the Crown-In-Parliament (or as the UK currently has a Queen, the Queen-In-Parliament) which is a union of the House of Commons, the House of Lords, and the Monarch - The Queen in this case.
This is the ultimate authority over British law. Acting together, the House of Commons, the House of Lords, and the Monarch determine what the law ultimately is.
The Monarch will generally do as the House of Commons and the House of Lords wish, and the House of Lords will generally do what the House of Commons wishes. There’s only limited situations governed by law and convention where the Lords can overrule the Commons, and even more limited situations where the Monarch can overrule the Commons and the Lords - but those limitations arise, because in the past both the House of Lords, and the Monarch have agreed to accept those limitations. If they had declined they wouldn’t exist (admittedly, some of those agreements were made under various forms of pressure - remember the House of Commons once executed a King).
The U.K. is gone.
They have a referendum on the E.U. that they never voted to get into. The people say they want out and the bribed politicians say no.
Wow the people of the U.K. are officially hostages to a government that does what it wants and ignores the will of the people.
It will be the same way you see things in France.
They are already out in the streets protesting in the U.K.
Our controlled fake stream news is hiding it.
I think you are right.
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