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The $15 Minimum Wage Is Here. Why We Need $33 an Hour.
NY Times ^ | January 4, 2019 | Ginia Bellafante

Posted on 01/19/2019 6:57:46 AM PST by lowbridge

On Jan. 1, the new minimum wage, set at $15 an hour, went into effect in New York City, and most companies employing more than 10 people have to pay it. The increase, considered a crucial step in the fight against poverty, is the result of a hard-fought grass-roots organizing effort begun seven years ago and championed as a great victory by liberal politicians, even those who were initially not liberal enough to embrace it. But how much will the new standard do to alleviate some of the most punishing aspects of the city’s affordability crisis?

Last year, San Francisco and Seattle enacted a $15 minimum wage. Though both cities are also fantastically expensive, it is too soon to to draw any comparison to New York, which presents its own challenges. (What we do know from a study examining the experiment in Seattle is that as wages increased on the path to $15 an hour, experienced workers benefited most from higher pay at the expense of reduced opportunities for workers with less experience.)

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To: dhs12345
"The increase, considered a crucial step in the fight against poverty"...

Stopped reading right there.

101 posted on 01/19/2019 7:55:46 AM PST by 50sDad (A Liberal prevents me from telling you anything here)
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To: dhs12345
Does that mean that those above $15 also get an equal raise? It is only fair.

Exactly. Cause this is all about fairness, ya know?

It's not about "fairness" of course. It's about buying votes. So no. The better and more qualified workers get the shaft.

102 posted on 01/19/2019 7:56:15 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60's....You weren't really there)
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To: central_va

I’d rather have an artificial floor on wages then pay EBT and welfare. That’s just me.
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How about “neither”?

Close the border and deport those who don’t have our permission to be here, working for slave-wages.

In short order, the former EBT/Welfare recipients will be begging to do the Jobs Americans Won’t Do.


103 posted on 01/19/2019 7:57:35 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: kabar
Already, though, some employers have not been able to afford the increased minimums. They've cut their payrolls, putting off new hiring, reducing hours or letting their workers go, the study found.

Well they didn't really need those people to begin with did they? What the hypocrite right wants is to continue the taxpayer subsidized cheap low skilled ( and illegal) labor pool. The new slavers. Now get out of my way I going to Golden Corral in my leisure suit with white belt and matching shoes.

104 posted on 01/19/2019 7:59:53 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: lowbridge

I read a lot of articles these days that make me glad I’m old.

I think I’m going to miss the worst of what’s coming.


105 posted on 01/19/2019 8:03:06 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (The internet has driven the world mad.)
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To: lowbridge

It would be interesting to know how many small businesses have cut staff back to 9, or fewer.


106 posted on 01/19/2019 8:03:07 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: central_va
My guess is only illegals make less than $15/hr in the Big Apple

In my part of the NJ Shore that is the going (cash) rate for day labor.

107 posted on 01/19/2019 8:05:44 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: central_va
Jeeez it's not rocket science. I'd rather pay ( at a restaurant for example ) low skilled labor $33/hr ( that's probably too high even for NYC high but I get the point ) plus eliminate all EBT and welfare, at the point of sales then subsidize them at $15/hr with borrowed money. But hey that is just me.

No one will ever accuse you of being a rocket scientist. So because you are willing to pay more at a restaurant, does that mean that all consumers will agree to as well? A restaurant is not an essential service. Most people have only so much discretionary income. An increase in consumer costs has an impact on how discretionary income is used.

Who is going to eliminate EBT and welfare payments? Increasing the mandatory overhead of employers forces them to make some hard choices about staffing, pricing, hours of operation, profit margins, etc. The welfare rolls will increase as employers reduce staffs and automate or go out of business entirely depending on their profit margins.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" --Karl Marx

In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly—only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.

108 posted on 01/19/2019 8:05:52 AM PST by kabar
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To: lowbridge

If libs think $15 is good....why not $100 or even $1000 per hour?


109 posted on 01/19/2019 8:08:51 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: central_va
So would the people that run and supply grocery stores not benefit in increased business then?

Yes, and the grocery stores have dealt with that increased business by going from a cashier and bagger for each register to having one cashier cover 8 - 10 registers with no baggers.

So if you go from 8 registers with 16 employees to 12 registers with two employees, you can accommodate the increase in business. Then hire a contractor for stocking, so you don't have to worry about things like citizenship paperwork for the stocking crew, or having to pay them when there isn't a truck hitting the dock. The minimum wage rules don't apply to illegals working off the books.

Speaking of stocking - it isn't putting individual items on the shelf - Aldi, for example, gets the cases pre-mixed with various flavors and varieties. Cut open the box, stack it on the shelf, and the stocking is done. No teens taking items out of the box and lining them up on the shelf.

110 posted on 01/19/2019 8:10:49 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Pining_4_TX

I thought this was a joke when I first saw it. Unbelievable that people can be this stupid. I read many of the comments after the article, and about half thought this was a great idea. Just about every person who was in favor of this idea used the word “force” at least once in his comment. That tells you all you need to know about liberalism/socialism/communism.

Fits with the mentality of leftists. Not driven by any logic but driven by force. Also fits with one of the things that loon AOC said. Asked how she would pay for medicare for All , she said you just do.


111 posted on 01/19/2019 8:11:29 AM PST by Flick Lives
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To: lowbridge

The minimum wage was enacted to cut black kids out of the workforce. They worked for less, and in the 20s unemployment among black teens was lower than that of teenage whites. In comes the compassionate progressives to remedy the problem. It worked. They make me sick.


112 posted on 01/19/2019 8:11:42 AM PST by youngidiot (Admiral Mike Rogers is a hero.)
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To: lowbridge

Lots of restaurants have been closing around here because of the mim wage.


113 posted on 01/19/2019 8:11:56 AM PST by exPBRrat (.)
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To: kabar
They've cut their payrolls, putting off new hiring, reducing hours or letting their workers go, the study found.

Next step: order them not to. Or these anti-social elements will be arrested and their businesses will be seized and turned over to party loyalists to operate.

We've read this entire script before. Quite a few times...

114 posted on 01/19/2019 8:13:58 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: SamAdams76

Can I borrow 50 bucks?


115 posted on 01/19/2019 8:16:08 AM PST by dp0622 (The Left should know if.. Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: Baynative
As minimum wage rises to $15.00 isn’t it logical that welfare payments and EBT card limits will have to raise to keep pace?

That only encourages non-work.

116 posted on 01/19/2019 8:18:54 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: SamAdams76

That’s great!


117 posted on 01/19/2019 8:24:59 AM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (As long as Hillary walks free, equal justice under the law will never exist in the USA)
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To: central_va
Now get out of my way I going to Golden Corral in my leisure suit with white belt and matching shoes.

White shoes after Labor Day? Horrors!

118 posted on 01/19/2019 8:26:08 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: lowbridge

$15 per hour for unskilled high school educated labor? Can you say part time and robotic automation replacements?


119 posted on 01/19/2019 8:29:10 AM PST by DownInFlames (Galsd)
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To: dhs12345

Those with union contracts which specify that wages shall rise no less than the increase in minimum wage sure did, which of course was why the union pushed it through in the first place.

My prediction: Wages went to $15 an hour and monthly rents went up no less than a similar percentage meaning that the ‘poorest’ workers end up with just higher prices and still no money in the bank.


120 posted on 01/19/2019 8:29:50 AM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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