Researchers say Native American genocide changed the climate; Academics reach for the nonsensical

American Thinker ^ | 02/03/2019 | Rick Moran

[Openurmind]

I’m actually going to agree with that. And all the deaths in the Americas were mostly accidental rather than intentional. While there were some notable battles and massacres most was by disease. And all sides of the religious wars throughout history are guilty of atrocities.

[RossA]

There are obvious questions.

1. They assume wild forests absorb more CO2 than human agriculture. Is this an accepted fact? Did the development of agriculture decrease CO2 steadily since 10,000BC?

2. There have been large human deaths in history. These events are even accepted and not revealed - with a fancy title - by these researchers. E.g., the Black Plague. Did this cause global cooling? Given that they ignore such an obvious question, I suspect the answer is NO.

[RedMonqey]

"I do satellite archaeology(sp).... People don’t create farmland for no reason.”

And here lies the weakness in your argument. You are presuming every farm was an active farm when the white man arrives. In the pre modern agriculture world land was abandoned when it no longer was productive. So the farmers, whether red man or white, moves on to the next fertile land and clears it. Over the decades, centuries this explains why even a small population can clear and abandon so many acreage of farmland.

Not arguing that the white man didn't war against the red man, nor the fact that his diseases were devastating the native population. There just wasn't even to equal 100 million.

[Openurmind]

lol... I agree... Not many there for sure. The Spanish estimated about 4 million at the time, but it was closer to under 1 million with all the islands and Cuba combined.

[RossA]

Yes, their previous lie was that the Little Ice. Age never occurred. Theb they said it only occurred in Northern Europe. Now that there is documentation from Asis, they need a new lie. This one is the best yet.

Oops, did I call these theories lies? Apologies to all who may have been offended,

[Openurmind]

I agree with this completely. They did indeed give up on land and start new. I take this into account. But We also have to take into account the sustainable farming methods some cultures practiced to keep the land viable. The South Americans for example are still farming lands that have been farmed for thousands of years. The Incas as example were masters at sustainable farming methods.

[Openurmind]

And yes, Archaeology is absolutely spelled correctly. Slick trick though.

[Slyfox]

European settlers killed 56 million indigenous people over about 100 years in South

That is a record that cannot be substantiated.

This so-called "research" is a result of a professor coming up with an idea that he wants proven. He gets some students together and they do a project to fit all the "facts" into his pre-determined result.

I have seen it before.

Doing real research is studying in a certain direction as an observer and looking at everything and discovering the answer while putting all the puzzle pieces together.

THAT is how real historical research is done.

Here is a fact - yes Europeans did spread disease unwittingly to the Natives, but then the natives also gave the Europeans syphilis.

Another little known fact, the Europeans traded and/or paid for land they got from the Natives, until Andrew Jackson decided to take land by force without compensation.

Killing 57,000,000 people over about a hundred years could only be accomplished through dictators decimating the population and/or through massive abortion.

I do historical research. I know how it is supposed to be done.

[odawg]

“It was NOT a slaughter or deliberate genocide, the white man brought the European disease to the Americas via tainted blankets and other things — SMALL POX for instance.”

The die off was hemispheric wide and before the white men ever set foot on the land.

Happened about the same time as the die off (about half the population) in Europe.

[Taxman]

The problem is, there is no REAL blowback on these idiots!

They continue to do what they do, sowing misinformation and hate and discontent into the public sphere, and NEVER have to suffer the consequences!

Dumbass stunts like this one deserve to be thoroughly trashed, and the perps walked off the stage and into penury, never to return!

[FlingWingFlyer]

56 MILLION Indigens killed by white men. ROTFL. All you need to know. Somebody has a lot of “mental issues”.

[Jeff Chandler]

And yet it didn't prevent the Cherokees from impregnating so many white women that 99 percent of Americans today can claim that they are "part-Cherokee."

And this was before the advent of online dating services!

[minnesota_bound]

killed 56 million Native Americans? I thought was 57 million....

[minnesota_bound]

#35 it created a building boom afterward... there’s that.

[BipolarBob]

Genocide by starvation is wrong anyway you look at it. Wiping out a species for spite is morally wrong as well.

[Robert DeLong]

European settlers killed 56 million indigenous people over about 100 years in South, Central and North America, causing large swaths of farmland to be abandoned and reforested, researchers at University College London, or UCL, estimate. The increase in trees and vegetation across an area the size of France resulted in a massive decrease in carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere, according to the study.

Well that smacks in direct opposition of the native populations in the American (North to South) as being primarily hunter gathers, which has been the claim for many decades/centuries.

[logi_cal869]

I wrote a brief piece on that crap and it goes like this:

They assert that the reduced CO2 reduced temperatures by nearly 1 deg C (the effect outlined in papers on the Maunder Minimum, the established cause of Little Ice Age).

Interestingly, in merely 40 years a nearly-equivalent area of land was DE-forested by countries all over the world in the late 20th century, most of it in tropical rainforests in South America and the South Pacific.

If you really want to see a climate alarmist’s head spin, after they’re done outlining their case ask them about the additional 1 deg C increase they didn’t account for and where those effects are evident around the planet...

And I’m not even going to get into the lush rainforests that existed for hundreds of millions of years during the Triassic and Jurassic, to state nothing of the postulated much-higher CO2 levels at the time.

These people will do anything to support their religion except, of course, pray.

[Grimmy]

These people will do anything to support their religion except, of course, pray.

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Oh, they pray. It’s a very complex and convoluted religious observance that involves filling out grant applications, faking research while being paid by the monies from the grants gotten from those applications and writing up bogus papers to publish to justify their jobs in the ivory towers of their religious fortresses.

[logi_cal869]

LOL, but you know what I meant (atheists & all).

Forgot the “air-quotes”

[Grimmy]

Forgot the “air-quotes”

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Thanks for not using “scare-quotes”. Those things give me nightmares... which I just gave myself, dang it.