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Another Democrat cooks up a health care plan even crazier than Bernie's Medicare-For-All
American Thinker ^ | 02/27/2019 | Monica Showalter

Posted on 02/27/2019 6:47:17 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Is rabidly far-left Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D.-Washington) trying to become the Ilhan Omar of the health care industry?

Sure looks like it, given her new Medicare-for-All proposal to be unveiled in the House as a new bill today. The "Medicare for All Act of 2019," put out by Jayapal, is so left-wing even the left-leaning Axios says it makes Bernie Sanders look like a piker. Here's how bad it is:

Even Sen. Bernie Sanders can get outflanked in the race to define Medicare for All as Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) is set to introduce a bill today that would go even further than Sanders' sweeping proposal.

Why it matters: Even as moderates and more conventional liberals are freaking out over the politics of such a dramatic upheaval, the left is still moving left, laying down ever-more-ambitious markers as they gain more and more influence over their party.

  • Many of the broad strokes are the same: Both bills would eliminate most private insurance and most existing federal health programs, moving everyone in the country into a new single-payer system. Neither would allow co-pays or deductibles.
  • Jayapal's version, though, would cover some things Sanders' bill wouldn't — most significantly, long-term care like nursing homes. It also calls for a 2-year phase-in period, compared to Sanders' 4 years.

What we don’t know: The cost.

 Axios also notes that the bill seeks to keep costs under control through a "global budget," meaning a cap on how much money hospitals and nursing care facilities can get, which is a fancy way of saying: rationing. They call that "interesting." The rest of us call it "Venezuela."

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2020election; berniesanders; healthcare; jayapal; medicare; medicareforall; socialism
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To: SeekAndFind
This country was founded on the principle of the free market.

That is free market with moral foundations.

Did you know that even religion was put into the free market?

Yes, every religion would live or die upon its own ability to get and keep followers.

Nothing smacks more of being anti-American than government control.

41 posted on 02/27/2019 8:14:17 AM PST by Slyfox (Not my circus, not my monkeys)
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To: SeekAndFind

Maybe when we stop electing people who don’t appreciate our Republic and capitalism we will stop getting these lefty lunatics in positions of power, authority and influence. pramila jayapal appears to “identify with” socialist loser countries and societies. Just what kind of nitwit, knobby-headed misinformed, confused voter elects people such as this? Are they all certain of their disdain for Free America and our culture? What pathetic losers.


42 posted on 02/27/2019 8:14:52 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Jim Noble

The government subsidizes the insurance companies and health care for those who can’t afford it. So, yes, it absolutely is our problem if low-cost alternatives aren’t what’s subsidized.


43 posted on 02/27/2019 8:34:42 AM PST by grania ("We're all just pawns in their game")
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To: hal ogen
Maybe when we stop electing people who don’t appreciate our Republic and capitalism

Increasingly our voters don't appreciate those things.


44 posted on 02/27/2019 8:37:20 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: relee

Ain’t that great. I had terrific coverage and care with a doc of my choice....until I turned 65. Then I was booted from my company plan. Now I have a new doc and coverage ain’t as good


45 posted on 02/27/2019 9:05:19 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: grania

You’re delusional. Look at what happens in Canada and Great Britain....all of Europe

The US needs to allow insurance to be sold across state lines. We also need to invest in medical/healthcare schools to increase the number of practitioners


46 posted on 02/27/2019 9:07:35 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Olog-hai

Just wow


47 posted on 02/27/2019 9:08:07 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Nifster
We also need to invest in medical/healthcare schools to increase the number of practitioners

I thought of offering to pay or subsidize people going to med school in exchange for going where they are told to go for several years. Kind of like being in the military, but it would allow doctors to be allocated where they are most needed. Go a long way towards reducing the debt problem.

Of course, as would be the case with any government-run program, there would be a lot of pitfalls, unfortunately.

48 posted on 02/27/2019 9:10:46 AM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: norwaypinesavage
I still have to pay an additional $4,000 per year for all the things it misses.
I've been on Medicare, as well as a Medicare Advantage Plan, for 7 years, and my costs aren't nearly as high as yours.
The most serious of all my ailments have been cataract surgery, prostate biopsy and prostate surgery. Each one cost about $500.
I've also seen six eye doctors in one year for a double vision problem, including a specialist and a neurologist - total cost - $300.
I pay about $200 a month for MC and the Advantage Plan. I guess I have to ask if you have either an Advantage or Supplemental plan?
49 posted on 02/27/2019 9:13:19 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Nifster

I should have been more clear. I’m not on medicare but I have been paying for it for a long time. Medicare for all is not a good idea, not at all.


50 posted on 02/27/2019 9:15:06 AM PST by relee (Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: oblomov

Medicaid pays for nursing home and assisted living home stays.

Democrats plan would simply eliminate the means test for eligibility.


51 posted on 02/27/2019 9:22:34 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Nifster
You’re delusional. Look at what happens in Canada and Great Britain....all of Europe

In all of those countries, the various government-run or regulated health care schemes are the most popular aspects of their governments - and second place is not even close.

52 posted on 02/27/2019 9:57:09 AM PST by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2 = 4)
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To: Jim Noble

Self pay means that the patient pays. Prices will always go down in that setting. The consumer can shop on price and quality.

Who do you want to pay, the government? Then they own you. The government also be able to use things like “red flag” laws against you with the medical information. They could also obtain social media information to determine if you are a compliant citizen and deserving of treatment (social credit scores). The government run VA has done things like this already. So be careful what you say to the government spy/doctor.

Government health care is all about other people paying for and deciding what kind of services you will get. Do you think bureaucrats care about you?

Honestly, I’m shocked that anyone on FR is in favor Medicare for all.


53 posted on 02/27/2019 10:10:56 AM PST by grumpygresh (The only check on a rogue DOJ and FBI is jury nullification.)
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To: Jim Noble

Read the stories of death and denial of care

The fact that they like the health care compared to the rest of the govt is meaningless

You obviously aren’t 65 being forced onto Medicare


54 posted on 02/27/2019 10:19:14 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: relee

You and I agree


55 posted on 02/27/2019 10:19:49 AM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: grumpygresh

It’s not a question of being “for it”.

It’s a question of preparing an alternative to full nationalization which not only will occur but will also sweep into power some very bad people when, not if, the status quo collapses.


56 posted on 02/27/2019 10:32:30 AM PST by Jim Noble (Freedom is the freedom to say that 2+2 = 4)
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To: oh8eleven
I do a lot of travelling (including half the year away from my cold weather homestead). I cant afford the risk of being away from the required doctor and emergency room providers of the Advantage plans.

You also said you pay $2400 a year just on your Advantage plan. That's only $1,600 away from my Supplement plan that has doctors and emergency care anywhere in the US. I've had care so far in Minnesota, Texas, and Michigan, and had zero out-of-pocket cost.

57 posted on 02/27/2019 12:03:58 PM PST by norwaypinesavage (Calm down and enjoy the ride, great things are happening for our country)
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To: norwaypinesavage
I've had care so far in Minnesota, Texas, and Michigan, and had zero out-of-pocket cost.
But I thought you were paying a fortune - or did I misunderstand?
  I've been aware of Supplemental plans for years but have shied away because of the cost, relatively good health and little travel.
   Maybe now that I'm 72 I'll get a little more serious.
I know Plan F is popular, although expensive. I like Plan N ... any advice or suggestions?
58 posted on 02/27/2019 12:29:14 PM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Jim Noble

Everywhere I go between Fort Smith and St Louis the merciless sisters are erecting a new shiny profit center (mercy health care). What did we ever do without all these glitzy new places?

You are right though. Too much money flowing for bribes to stop Kiaser and Nixon’s folly.


59 posted on 02/27/2019 1:25:04 PM PST by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just hava few days that don't suck.)
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To: goldstategop

Medicaid, in many states, is a single payer system that doesn’t permit buying up to a better grade of care.

The facilities will still force you to sign over all of your assets to allow you to live there. For your own good, of course. It will result in a huge influx of income for LTC facilities, so unsurprisingly they will lobby hard for it.

What if I want to be cared for in a proper facility, rather than some Medicaid shithole? I would rather die from a heart attack or from forgetting to take medications than sign over my assets to health care bureaucrats.


60 posted on 02/27/2019 2:29:47 PM PST by oblomov
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