Posted on 03/06/2019 2:44:51 PM PST by rintintin
Senator Rand Paul has announced that, despite supporting improvements in border security, he will vote against President Trump’s emergency declaration on the grounds that it’s an abuse of executive power — and he’s absolutely right.
“Every single Republican I know decried President Obama’s use of executive power to legislate,” Paul wrote in an opinion piece for Fox News. “We were right then.”
(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...
I’m not buying your explanation, but the fact is that the Statue is the law of the land, passed by the Congress and signed by the President. The Courts have no role absent a challenge and the silence on that is deafening.
The President is acting using the powers delegated to him by the NEA. The Congress is acting using the same powers established by the same statute. The President will prevail because the Congress will have insufficient votes to overturn his veto. President 1, Congress 0.
The NEA will not be used to build walls on the border. Other statues will be used allowing the President to reprogram funds appropriated by the Congress. This is the season for such reprogramming and it happens every year, authorized by law. The Democrats and the NEA four can do nothing to stop it. In fact, he can do so without citing the NEA EO. He already has the money. He needs the NEA EO to stop the bat crazy attempts by the Democrats to stymie Trump. The Courts will not intervene against the NEA and therefore Trump will win 2 - 0.
On Fox News tonight, Mara Liasson and Jonah Goldberg ganged to present the narrative against the Trump. Mara was citing the standard Democrat Talking points and Jonah was all aboard on the Hate Trump express. Both are wrong on the law and wrong on the facts, so they were pounding the table. This fight is as over as is the Russian Collusion nonsense.
“”Every single Republican I know decried President Obama’s use of executive power to legislate,””
What’s the matter with that man? THAT is not what the president is doing. He must have taken a hard knock to his head that wasn’t discovered when his neighbor went after him. All anyone has to do is listen to Mark Levin’s explanation of just why the demon-rats and Republicans are all wrong about this! Mark must be tearing his hair out. I believe he still has some, doesn’t he? Now I hear on the news tonight that 2 or 3 more Republicans will join him and the other turncoats! Throw the bums out!!!
I suppose NRO is National Review Online?
Well, NRO, Bush is no longer president. We have a President who has common sense, guts and a way of getting criticized by wimps like you and Rand Paul.
I hope both of your children can get some peaceful sleep with a copy of the constitution under their pillows.
Just be sure to wear your MAGA hat!
Jefferson quote is particularly suited on this occasion.
You lost me a bit there.
The first part talked about the NEA providing a Congressional Termination of a president until a declaration of emergency.
I didn’t follow that train of thought very well.
I do agree that Congress needs to be able to over-ride a presidential E. O., if it’s bad enough.
I do not consider this to be a bad use of power.
Obama used this power 12 times and our team didn’t go postal over it. I do remember some offensive actions on his part that I thought were out of line. He still did it.
I guess my point now is that the Left is already using this for lesser issues. This is a big one, and I think it’s reasoned to use the power given to Trump (presidents) by Congress.
When you talked of “dipping my toe in the water”, I wasn’t exactly sure what issue in particular you were addressing. Is it just the conceptual right vs wrong of Trump declaring a national emergency?
Trump can veto the join resolution. One the other hand, Congress does have the power to over-ride him if his actions are that far out of line.
I don’t really want presidents to have unilateral power, but in instances like this where the nation is being compromised by the border being rushed, I don’t know what else to do if Congress refuses to ‘respect and defend’ the U. S. Constitution.
What they are doing is ignoring Article IV Section Four.
That in effect weakens that directive > IMO. That is unconstitutional > IMO.
If I missed the exact issue you wanted me to address, or would like to ask pointed questions about some point here, fire away.
I think that’s a fair observation.
I’m not quite as convinced he’s willing to come around on this issue though.
you’re not buying my explanation? LOL. I cited the law and your explanation is not much different, except you say the NEA will not be used to build the wall when Trump has already declared the emergency. Did he pass it because he was having a slow day and nothing else to do?
We agree trump will prevail, but you contradict yourself. Why does he have to prevail, if he won’t use the act to build the wall? He should have just built it. And two years ago.
Congress legally gave that power to the Presidency in 1976. If Paul does not like it, then let him lobby to have the entire power revoked - not just the one instance when Trump does what the Senate’s globalist masters don’t like.
Seems you followed pretty well. My post is a combination of sources about the NEA.
IF congress overrides thereto that should be the last word according to the law.
Trump has said he can build a different way, but he put his eggs in the declaration. If he builds after they override his veto, that will be problem for him. But he is known to be fighter. If he does that, i would assume the congress will go to the USSC to stop his action saying it is illegal under the NEA with a veto override.
I am not an attorney. Just a guy with a search engine who can read above the 8th grade level.
Rand Paul can suck it! There’s always a republican that is a stick in the mud at a pivital time. Rarely a Democrat damages their agenda, but there always seems to be a jackass republican springloading out of the Jack in the box in defiance.
That is correct, but that is not what is being said. Power of the Purse and Separation of Powers are the rational being put forward for not voting in support. If the feckless Repubs disagree with the Emergency Declaration because they disagree with the policy, then fine, let the process work as you stated. But these spineless Repubs are trying to have it both ways and trying to wrap themselves in the Constitution to cover up their spinelessness — that’s BS.
I don’t find that your grasp of the law is impressive. Stick with your opinions, they are always valid and usually right.
I understand Rand appreciation. For procedure, but he needs to fight on Principal. He won’t though because he’s more concerned with the procedure. Meanwhile Dems piss on the procedure all the time! Rand if you can’t fight fire with fire then get the hell out of the Senate!
we agree about what some of the republican senators are doing. These are the elected senators and house members. We get the kind of government we deserve. When someone like AOC isolated by 13% of the district, you have to wonder what the other 87% were thinking. We are stuck with this mess.
I am a third party advocate. i think a conservative party could make the GOP the third and lesser party. But it never gets going and we have the same discussions about Dem lite and Rhinos all the time.
This is a web site dedicated to opinion.
If you can prove where I am wrong about the law go for it. Otherwise the congress and the president are following the NEA as I have described.
Thanx for the comment about my opinions. I am showing it to my wife.
Thanks. I think what you are saying makes sense.
I do think that if he could come up with another line of reasoning that was sound, it would be his right to do so, and perhaps even his duty to do so, if he feels the nation and it’s Citizens are risk.
I think each declared method of building the wall should stand on it’s own.
If his veto does not stand, I don’t think he should just stand down.
Of all the national emergency declarations, I regard this one as the most important and unavoidable.
This nation cannot continue to go on like this. If he loses, the border is essentially open. Millions will pour across it in a few short years. The make-up of our nation will change drastically.
Crime will spiral. Government programs will be strained.
Something has to be done, and Congress refuses to.
We are here discussing the balance of powers, as if Congress is the only one saving the nation from a dictator.
I would submit that Trump is the only one saving the nation from a Congress that has gone off the track.
He is also a balance of powers agent.
Each of the three branches are. (You know, the Executive, the House, and the Senate > OAC...)
we are often in bizarro world and it seems like we have one person fighting for us,
Best wishes.
Uh, Rand, it was congress that gave the president that power.....remember now?????
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