Posted on 03/07/2019 2:49:39 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
Theresa May will make a last-ditch attempt to persuade the EU to give her a better Brexit deal on Friday, as she struggles to hold her crumbling government together following a day of cabinet embarrassments in Westminster.
The prime minister will plead with EU leaders to offer further concessions, as it became clear that talks in Brussels have stalled and hardline Eurosceptics in her party are likely to vote down the deal for a second time in parliament next week.
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“The prime minister will plead with EU leaders”
This is just embarrassing. This is what happens when you have someone who adamantly opposed Brexit in charge of implementing it.
Once a great empire, the Brits are reduced to begging to be a colony of the EU. May is one of the worst PM’s in British history.
The EU has incentive to make the Brexit as painful and damaging as possible and no incintive to give any bennies. The EU is rife with dissatisfied members. If leaving was pain free the whole enterprise would vanish over night.
The EU has incentive to make the Brexit as painful and damaging as possible and no incintive to give any bennies. The EU is rife with dissatisfied members. If leaving was pain free the whole enterprise would vanish over night.
Just say no on 3-31 and pay the EU nothing. Walk away and govern the UK as a separate nation.
And as it is, it very well may collapse over the next five or six years.
The Yurps won’t make any concessions because there are several dissatisfied member states who would leave if they could do a simple trade deal and ditch all the political baggage and they know it.
So May will trot this turkey out to Parliament one more time next week and get shot down in flames yet again. Then, hard Brexit on March 29th. This is what it should have been all along anyway.
The UK wanted this. remember trade deals take time -- even the RENEGOTIATION of NAFTA / USMCA took a year.
The big problem was on the Irish border question, the agreement sets a backstop which will come into force, in the case that there is not new agreement between EU and UK before the end of the transition period. In that case, UK will remain in a customs union with the EU. Neither party can unilaterally withdraw from this customs union. The goal of this backstop agreement is to avoid a "hard" Irish border, where customs checks are necessary
But the irish border cannot be made hard as per the Good Friday agreement that the UK signed in 1997. the EU did not allow the UK to bully Ireland.
what more concessions are you looking for?
Theresa may wants to beg the EU to offer a concession on the Irish backstop. That's it -- what do you, FLT-Bird, want the EU to do with this? Allow the creation of a hard border in NI-RoI that violates the good Friday agreement? Or keep the border open and that will violate what people voted for in the 2016 referendum. What is your plan for this?
The leave has no problem with the trade deal offered - it gives them full ability to trade with the EU
and really "simple trade deal" -- the UK gets to continue its trade with the EU with no borders, no tariffs, nothing. Simple enough? And you want to have a "simple trade deal"? Why is there no "simple trade deal" between the UK and US agreed now? Because there are lots of little details that stop it - let's take 2 simple ones - the chicken and the egg. American chickens are chlorine washed and American eggs are washed. Both these violate both British laws and British public opinion. If the UK bans this, it stalls a trade deal. And there are thousands of items. No trade deal is simple
I dunno if it’s fair to say the American processing of chicken and eggs violates British public opinion. It violates British food processing standards right now only because it violates EU standards.
Yes, Chickens in the US are chlorine washed to kill off potentially harmful bacteria. Did you know Fruit and Vegetables in the EU right now get the very same treatment during food processing? Doesn’t this “violate British public opinion”? It must not since that’s the way it’s currently done and I haven’t heard of any massive outcry against it in the UK. Seems like it violates an arbitrary standard set by some EU bureaucrat a whole lot more than it violates British public opinion.
So why was that the standard set by the EU? It wasn’t because it is unsafe....after all they do it for fruits and vegetables currently and this has been done in the US for decades with no adverse health effects. It was because some EU bureaucrat felt that if this very effective means were used on chickens, that might then lead to lax practices in raising the chickens since producers would know they could get away with lower hygienic standards because the chlorine wash would just kill off any bacteria the chickens might pick up as a result. In other words, the current EU standard is completely ARBITRARY.
Being able to get out from under the arbitrary dictates of faceless bureaucrats in Brussels was a prime motivator for UKIPers. Yes, some flexibility will be needed for the US and UK to strike a trade deal......but let’s not swallow the bullshit being put out by whiny Remainerd that in order to strike trade deals with other countries (the US in particular), the UK will be required to accept 3rd world standards that will endanger the health of the British population. That’s just a laughable canard.
What would I urge? Hard Brexit. If the EU wants to erect a hard border in the Republic of Ireland - and pay for it - in the teeth of fierce opposition from the Irish who do not want that, and if they want to pay for manning that border, let ‘em!
As a political reality, I don’t think they can do it. I think they’re just posturing and that this is part of Project Fear 2.0. Hell, the EU can’t even defend its borders from the millions of military age males pouring in from 3rd world shitholes in Africa and the Middle East......but they’re going to erect a hard border in Ireland and pay for its upkeep? Don’t make me laugh.
The EU wants the conditions of the Good Friday agreement to be upheld, namely that there is a soft border
the UK wants the hard border to stop EU citizens from coming into the UK.
Remember that the referendum was about keeping EU citizens out of the UK’s workforce
perhaps its protectionism of British poultry producers who can't compete with Americans, who knows
As I’ve pointed out, there is no rational basis for such a ban. They’re eating other food subject to the same process right now. There is no scientific evidence from the US to support any claim that the process is unsafe.
IF they want to keep this in place in the teeth of all that, they can but there will obviously be a give and take. They’ll likely have to accept some American protectionist measure on something that they’d prefer not to see in place. That is the stuff of negotiation. It doesn’t have to be that complicated or take that long if both sides want a deal done.
Yes and? The UK can require foreigners to have work visas if they so choose. They can cut a deal with the EU if they do choose.
Oh, the EU very much wants a hard border. I’ve heard several of them mention it. We’re not gonna agree about this one.
The case against chlorine-washed poultry has not been about any risks in that process itself, but that its use as a standard treatment masks, or potentially could mask, lax husbandry during the animal’s life. One of the main differences between practices in the UK (and in this instance the EU has followed the UK’s lead) and the US has been the regulated emphasis on the hygiene, health and welfare of farmed animals during their life. This in the belief that, quite apart from any ethical issues, the meat thus produced will be of better quality in every respect.
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