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To: tcrlaf

Not the most knowledgeable on this, but doesnt this type of defeat trigger an election over there?


50 posted on 03/12/2019 1:42:13 PM PDT by VanDeKoik
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PM May must be removed or the pretend no votes mean nothing. PM May is obviously not interested in implementing an actual Brexit. Obviously.


51 posted on 03/12/2019 1:45:03 PM PDT by veracious (UN=OIC=Islam ; USAgov may be radically changed, just amend USConstitution)
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To: VanDeKoik; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; veracious; UKrepublican; fieldmarshaldj

There may end up being an election but no. The only type of legislative defeat that is automatically what they call a “confidence” vote is one that has to do with “supply” ie money (as in voting down the government’s proposed budget).

Brexit is complicated, like trying to pull all 8 tentacles of an octopus from out of your bum.

I am no expert but from where I sit as an American observer, I’m feeling sorry for May and am not really seeing why it’s her we should be mad at.

She seems to be doing her best and does indeed seem to be respecting the referendum result despite her personal position. The EU octopus is unwilling to offer a good deal and almost no one is keen on a “no deal” (and I doubt running on “no deal” would be a winner for the Tories if there was an election). I’d say go for it but they fear economic collapse and they may be right.

If I were an MP I’d have voted for her deal on that basis (and to hell with Northern Ireland and it’s complicated “backstop” that is the main sticking point). Rejecting it has put Brexit in jeopardy as the Commons seems set to extend the deadline. Pro-EU Tory traitors voted against the deal as did hard-core Brexiteers who feel it’s not good enough. I’d secure the exit before worrying too much about the details. Sadly for May she seems doomed to a legacy of failure. Doesn’t she look tired (reference for Doctor Who fans). I see now why Cameron immediately took a powder.

Things could be going a lot better if COrybn didn’t GAIN seats in the last election due to May’s poor campaigning, blowing a huge lead. Even if the Tories were united now, they have no majority without the DUP, who are obviously preoccupied with the “backstop”.

Tories lead in the polls again as the moderate-wing of Labour is revolting against Corybn’s leadership and he also put Labour Leave voters (who went UKIP in 2015 but mostly went home in 2017) back in play with his support of a 2nd referendum. Several MPs defected to a new group (joined by a few Tory EUphile traitors as well). It’s amusing the the Liberal Democrats as 100% pro-EU center-left have totally failed to make any hay at all despite seemingly obvious openings, you’d think they’d be scooping up Tory Europhilies and Blairite moderate Labourers but no.

An aside but I’d urge President Trump to do a trade deal with the UK as soon as they are out of the EU (if that ever comes to pass). I would hope the Marxist US House wouldn’t stand in the way.

Looks like one of 3 things will happen

1)Deadline extended and who knows
2)No deal, which is the default with no extension
3)Election, and who knows depending on who wins and God knows whether there would be enough time to first elect a new Tory leader.

Above all else, Corbyn must be kept out of power, if he’s in there then not leaving the EU will be the least of the UK’s problems.


98 posted on 03/12/2019 10:51:18 PM PDT by Impy (I have no virtue to signal.)
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