Posted on 03/22/2019 12:24:58 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
May could have scuttled Brexit by saying “the parliament is sovereign amd the referendum was non binding. I decree the result to be ignored” and she would be legally able to o so.
She has tried to bring a flawed deal to keep Brexit alive when she could have, at any point said Brexit is off
it seems to me that may has a psychological failing and that is the she craves acceptance. she craves acceptance from whoever she is with, and she has succeeded by using this flaw to her advantage in combination with secrecy in public. this allows her to make private promises to everyone that if they just place their trust in her and keep her confidence that she will take care of their requests and everything will eventually work out to their favor. she did this for each brexit faction and promised herself into a box canyon. now it is days before the hard exit and the strategy has fallen apart since everyone may has negotiated with has apparently been promised something different. if the EU leaders now want UK out of the EU, then perhaps only the EU did not fall into may’s nonsense. may led the UK leadership into conflict and chaos with her promises and secrecy and now the UK has to pay for it.
Yup. That would have bern different a month ago. But now everyone is fed up. Leave already
yah, it was only a suggestion for fig leaf decorum.
i suppose she could grab a soapbox at hyde park and accomplish the same objective if push were to come to shove...
Leo Varadkar warns of lengthy delay to Brexit
By John Campbell, BBC News NI Economics & Business Editor
22 March 2019
bbc news
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-47671409
ok, i admit, i am hooked on this brexit soap opera, lol
“May could have scuttled Brexit by saying “the parliament is sovereign amd the referendum was non binding. I decree the result to be ignored” and she would be legally able to do so.”
That is nonsense. If that were the case, Parliament could invalidate any election, including the one for Prime Minister.
A referendum in the UK has no legal basis. This is not the same as an election and not the same as a referendum in the USA. Parliament can legally ignore the referendum as parliament is sovereign NOT the people.
“invalidate any election including the one for Prime Minister”. That one statement tells me you don’t know how a parliamentary system works. There is no direct election or Prime minister. People vote for representatives and the leader of the biggest party or coalition becomes Prime Minister.
So am I. It’s a soap opera with no script and no one has any idea what will happen next!!
i wonder if changing the pm would constitute a meaningful uk government event to allow the eu to consider a longer delay. i suspect that is what might now happen...
No it won’t.
Changing the PM doesn’t alter the fact that EU parliamentary elections are on the 22nd of May and by the 7th people need to register as candidates.
The UK mist decide by the 7th or it must hold EU parliamentary elections and stay another five years.
If the UK does not conduct elections and stays this violates EU law of membership that every member must be represented in parliament. If they DO conduct elections then they must stay the full term as uk MEPs like Farage (who has never been elected to the UK parliament) will make decisions for a club they are leaving.
The EU wants the UK out now.
“That one statement tells me you don’t know how a parliamentary system works.”
I wasn’t making statements about their system, only saying that Parliament is not sovereign in the manner you described.
Even here in the United States, when we vote in a presidential election, we are actually voting for the electors, not the particular candidate.
Man, getting out of the EU sounds like getting out of Socialism.
It’s easy to vote your way in, but you have to shoot your way out.
hmmm, so in theory there is no 1 year delay option or 2 year delay option (presuming your view is correct). i thought i still read about 1 year delay options and 2 year delay options. maybe they are talking about a deal that posits membership without representation (if so, yikes)...
oh, goodie. i need to stay tuned so i make sure that don’t miss the next day’s episode, lol...
they all really could use a dash of monty python, though... :-)
It has descended into farce, yes.
There is no longer delay option beyond 7 May. The EU would fail its own legality if it allows the UK to stay beyond May 7 . And the EU wants to preserve itself.
Think about it, how can they allow a delay beyond the EU parliament elections?
What are you talking about. The UK said they would leave on March 29. The EU said ok, you asked to leave on that date so you get to leave.
Now the UK wants to delay the date for no good reason and the EU says no, you asked to leave and so you either leave on the date YOU asked for or cancel Brexit. There is no third option
Parliament is sovereign in making decisions. And the referendum was not constitutionally binding. the referendum was essentially a government financed poll. It was not legally binding and at no point did the government commit to doing anything specific following the poll as that could have been seen to have prejudiced the result.
The UK parliament is sovereign. It can make or unmake any laws. The only limit is the UK parliament cannot tell a future UK parliament what to do. For a future UK parliament is also equally sovereign.
So when it comes to referenda, the UK parliament decides the question, timing and validity of the result. For instance, for the 1979 Scottish devolution referendum, the UK parliament required 40% of the total electorate to vote ‘yes’ for a valid vote. Though a majority did vote for devolution, parliament’s electoral threshold wasn’t met. Devolution did not proceed.
Parliament made no provision in the European Referendum Act, 2015 for a binding EU referendum result. The Act was also silent on who should enact any referendum result nor was there any time limit on the referendum’s validity.
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