Posted on 07/31/2019 1:49:12 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
“Tony is a white guy. Why is the press bothering with this?...Doesn’t fit the narrative at all.”
Because it does fit the narrative “cops kill people” that the left likes to push. The story would have been buried like usual if a street gang of illegals or a black dealer had killed him, because that would totally go against the propaganda narrative. This (kind of) fits, so they ran with it—either that or they were hoping people would mistake an Italian name for a Mexican one?
Right.
Unfortunately, unless REALLY unusual or noteworthy, stories like the one at this link usually don’t get national exposure:
http://www.wsiltv.com/story/40856330/officers-recount-water-rescue-in-crab-orchard-lake
I have no connection with that incident, other than having driven by that very spot, on occasion, but, I’d like to buy those officers a beer (off duty, of course!)
And, the police who took down the shooter in the CA “Garlic Festival” shooting responded superbly, yet most of the national attention is on gun control.
Unfortunately, these Dallas policemen didn’t perform to even a “very low bar” expectation. I have to SERIOUSLY wonder about their training...
Over the years I have had several encounters with police that left me very angry and a little bit frightened. Encounters that should never have happened. Encounters that were not in the least precipitated by any actions on my part.
Unfortunately, it is a job that has a tendency to attract people that like to have power over other people.
My personal feeling is after all these years that the best thing to do is stay under the radar and have as little to do with police as possible.
Certainly there are plenty of good cops out there, there are also plenty of the opposite. And all it takes is is one of the bad ones to ruin your life.
If he was “of color”, Dallas would in flames.
Uh, moderate prolonged stress can cause heart attacks too. How many people die shoveling snow each winter? Difficulty breathing over a period? Absolutely. The stress on my Dad’s heart when he survived a bout with pneumonia one night in the ER was unbelievable, given that it went on for hours (even with treatment to get his heart rate under control). The Dr. said it was amazing they didn’t have to treat him for a heart attack too.
That said, much more damning are the police actions (and lack of them) when and after the deceased goes unconscious.
Murder? No way. The police were NOT trying to harm the guy, and, I’d say they were even “restrained” in dealing with him. But, negligence? Yes. Lack of proper training? Very likely.
Couldn’t agree less. The guy’s agitation and crack killed him. Face down on the ground doesn’t obstruct breathing. Neither does the kneel the cops were doing.
When cops show up and you’re out of control, you go into cuffs.
If you then behave yourself, you might actually get to sit down on your butt.
However if you continue to misbehave, down on the ground you go.
If you kick, you get your legs tied.
Agitated folks sometimes do eventually stopping fighting and calm down as force is escalated. They get tired.
That’s what the cops are likely to think when movement stops since that’s what it is 99.99% of the time.
After struggling with a guy on and off over a period of time, I’d probably think he finally calmed down myself.
Turns out they were wrong. This is more of a case of stupid games get stupid prizes than police misbehavior or poor training.
If you watched the video like I did they mention that the officers had to change cuffs from those belonging to security to those belonging to the officer. My questions would be who’s security? And why? What crime did he commit that gave private security the legal right to detain and cuff him in the first place? He apparently called 911 himself requesting medical assistance not handcuffs. I would be very curious what went down before the police showed up and took chain of custody. He may have been in cuffs without any true legal cause from the get go.
No point discussing anything with you.
You can’t tell the difference between “calming down” or “tired” and out cold? Ridiculous!!!
I repeat: I have no problem with the officers’ actions up until the point where the guy passed out.
But... stress on the arrested is sort of a given, if he or she struggles. Face down on the ground with someone holding you down — doesn’t BLOCK breathing but it does impair it somewhat. Try it sometime when you have, say, a bad chest cold to make it more obvious. (But if your heart rate jumps, stop the “test” immediately!) It’s also a given that a lot of people the police have to deal with are going to have medical “issues”, for one reason or another, often because they don’t take care of themselves or (as in this case) abuse their own health. Or maybe they are like my brother who got necrotic pneumonia and (even after rehab) only has 1/3 of his lung function. (Yeah, I know - not a lung good history in my family.) Basic training and even the slightest modicum of good sense would say stress to an arrested may set off a stroke, heart attack, etc. This is generally going to be an unknown unless a responding officer knows the arrested, but, ANY time someone goes unconscious in this manner, immediate(!) medical attention is called for. And you sure as heck don’t administer a sedative without checking vital signs, if someone just passed out. This is so basic that if it’s going over you, well....
It’s not that the officers caused the collapse. The problem is that they failed to respond to it (training? and basic “sense”) and worse, joked about it.
When you go from squirming to not squirming when you have already been face down in the ground there’s no jump to think someone passed out.
The guy was worked up when he got there. Those with the medical issues you describe aren’t strong enough to put up such a fight to begin with. The cops would think he’s normal based on age and activity level.
I don’t believe he died when the cop was on top of him so no I still don’t think this would’ve been obvious. One of the reasons for restraint is so the cop can walk away from you and work the scene. Being restrained will not result in someone monitoring your pulse for the duration.
As far as the joking etc it may work in their favor as it shows intention and they did not think they were hurting him.
I don't see the ability to laugh while letting someone die to be a mitigating factor.
The trial will take care it. What is said by the officers in this video did not kill him. The cocaine did. I think the trial will come down to whether the the officers followed restraining procedures that were necessary. Timpa’s lawyer is claiming that “”He was not resisting, he was not armed, he was not threatening the officers,” said Henley.
They wonder why nobody likes them.
Are you really insinuating that he deserved to die?
No, he was suffocated.
Would you find some qualifier to defend the jack boot thug that murdered Daniel Shaver?
re: “No, he was suffocated.”
A good rule of thumb, chum, if the perp being held down is still squawking, HE AIN’T BEING SUFFOCATED!
Basic knowledge of how the lungs and vocal cords work together MAY have eluded you in your haste to scream “he was suffocated” but physics and biology are NOT in your favor in that argument.
“Would you find some qualifier? Sorry but the answer is no except I have a great respect generally for the those that work in police enforcement and what they have to do especially for the family member that gave his life.
Don’t you?
Even though I have seen it here many times, I was not. Please see #62.
Case: IFS-1 6-14001 - ME -- Page 7 of 8Timpa, Anthony Alan
Based on the case history and autopsy findings, it is my opinion that Anthony Alan Timpa, a 32-year-old white male, died as a result of sudden cardiac death due to the toxic effects of cocaine and physiologic stress associated with physical restraint.
Cardiac hypertrophy and bipolar disorder contributed to his death.
The mechanism of death in cases such as this is sometimes referred to as "excited delirium syndrome (EDS)." Classically, people affected by EDS are witnessed to exhibit erratic or aggressive behav ior, and will often "throw off" attempts at restraint, requiring multiple people to subdue them. The person will appear to calm down and will suddenly become unresponsive. Most cases are associated with drug intoxication and/or psychiatric illness.
In this case, several factors likely contributed to the death. The surveillance and body cam footage and witness reports fit the classic scenario of excited delirium syndrome, and cocaine use and psychiatric illness (bipolar disorder) are common predisposing risk factors for EDS. Cocaine leads to increased heart rate and increased blood pressure, making a cardiac arrhythmia morc likely. Due to his prone position and physical restra int by an officer, an element of mechanical or positional asphyxia cannot be ruled out (although he was seen to be yelling and fighting for the majority of the restraint). His enlarged heart size also put him at risk for sudden cardiac death,
Although the decedent only had superficial injuries, the manner of death will be ruled a homicide, as the stress of being restrained and extreme physical exertion contributed to his demise.
MANNER OF DEATH: Homicide
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Emily Ogden, M.D.
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Elizabeth Ventura, M.D.
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Candace Schoppe, M.D.
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Chester S Gwin, M.D.
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10/11/2016
Dallas County District Attorney John Creuzot has dismissed charges against three Dallas police officers indicted almost two years ago on misdemeanor deadly conduct charges in the death of a handcuffed man.. . .
"Today's decision to dismiss the charges was made following a lengthy investigation and determination as to the official cause of death of Mr. Timpa," Creuzot said in a news release.
Creuzot's statement said he met with "all three medical examiners" who had testified to the grand jury that indicted the officers. They told him they did not believe the officers acted recklessly and "cannot, and will not, testify to the elements of the indictment beyond a reasonable doubt."
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