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Democrats frown on targeting gang databases with 'red flag' laws
Washington Examiner ^ | 14 sept 2019 | Susan Ferrechio & Kerry Picket

Posted on 09/14/2019 8:57:18 AM PDT by rellimpank

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To: rktman

How much of the drug money are politicians receiving from gangs?


21 posted on 09/14/2019 9:12:29 AM PDT by abclily
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To: abclily

A lot.


22 posted on 09/14/2019 9:13:19 AM PDT by sport
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To: rellimpank

Absolutely needed red flag for older mom with young children who admits mental health issues and problems dealing with anger!

Her two guns, and maybe her children need to be taken away.

It’s for the children!

Yeah, that’s you, Alyssa Milano!


23 posted on 09/14/2019 9:13:27 AM PDT by jjotto (Next week, BOOM!, for sure!)
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To: Rurudyne

Executing drug dealers would eliminate a lot of gun control nonsense.


24 posted on 09/14/2019 9:13:43 AM PDT by abclily
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To: JLAGRAYFOX; All

No conservative should have anything to do with red flag legislation other than to defeat it.

Adding gang members to the red flag targets is a sucker punch.

Wake up.

Addressed to all, not to you personally.


25 posted on 09/14/2019 9:16:33 AM PDT by old curmudgeon (There is no situation so terrible, so disgraceful, that the federal government can not make worse)
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To: rellimpank
Democrats frown on targeting gang databases with 'red flag' laws

And they are REALLY opposed to targeting everyone with current or recent use of psychiatric drugs. That would be 100% of the mass shooters of the past 3 or 4 decades.

It would also red-flag the entire Democrat Party plus 20 million other assorted affiliations, for a total of 80 million mind-controlled zombies.

26 posted on 09/14/2019 9:16:48 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Spok; All

“It’s predictable given that gun laws are intended by the Democrats to punish political opponents but really have nothing to do with public safety.”

BINGO!!! This action shows they’re doing their level best to use these laws against law abiding people while exempting the criminals who support them and are responsible for massive carnage, as in Chicago. Combined with what Robert Francis just did at the last DemonShit debate, while wildly cheered on by his fellow communists in the audience and on the stage, this may well kill most “commonsense” gun grabbing for the near future.


27 posted on 09/14/2019 9:20:05 AM PDT by libstripper (a bit,)
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To: rellimpank

28 posted on 09/14/2019 9:21:51 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: abclily; All

In Chicago most of the “clergy,” “civil rights leaders.” and DemonShit politicians couldn’t survive without heavy subsidies from the gangs; hence, the endless carnage and calls for “commonsense” gun grabbing to divert attention from what’s really happening.


29 posted on 09/14/2019 9:26:05 AM PDT by libstripper (a bit,)
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To: dsrtsage

It’s not???

But Jimrob gave me those cool colored neckerchiefs!


30 posted on 09/14/2019 9:26:19 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (The media is after us. Trump's just in the way.)
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To: rellimpank

The primary concern with red flag laws is who defines and identifies the “red flag.” Period.

When a person is exhibiting behavior that an objective person would deem as threatening to themselves and/or others, the majority of people see it as reasonable to remove firearms and make it difficult for them to acquire firearms. That ability pretty much already exists with “safekeeping” laws/policies and the background check system.

There is NO DOUBT in my mind that many on the left would view membership or participation in conservative groups as a “red flag.” They demonstrate this over and over. This type of legislation leads to a social credit score assigned by big brother or those in power at that particular time. It is fraught with risks and it would likely be abused the next time an administration like the last one is in power just as they abused our intelligence apparatus to include the FISC to domestically target opponents.

This is a very bad idea. Period. I do not want “deranged” individuals who threaten others to have access to firearms, but my definition of “deranged” is far different than theirs and I do not see any way to fairly enforce it as it is likely that only 1 in 1000 (likely much smaller percentage than that) individuals who display whatever “anti-social” behavior is defined as in any given moment would go on to be a homicidal maniac.

It is impossible to be certain who that one person is and impractical to remove the rights of 999 for the actions of 1. A bedrock principle of our justice system. Furthermore, a lack of legal access to firearms by that 1 is unlikely to deter them from acting on their sick impulses - they can simply choose another weapon.

If we are serious about addressing the 1 person, the appropriate action would be to place them in a mental hospital, not to deprive the “non-conforming” of their rights or naively think if we remove one “tool” such as a firearm we can prevent such acts. Firearms are here to stay.

Objectively, this proposal will only make the situation worse and not improve public safety in any way. Well-meaning people who know little about firearms or who have not rationally analyzed this proposal are foolishly going to trade freedom for knee-jerk emotion. The left is full of such ideas and beware of any politicians (to include the GOP) who think this is a good idea.

In fact, I would expect many judges to see it the same way as I do so in the end this is a feel-good talking point that is largely impractical and incompatible with our constitution.


31 posted on 09/14/2019 9:28:53 AM PDT by volunbeer (Find the truth and accept it - anything else is delusional)
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To: BookmanTheJanitor

All my guns, including “assault rifles,” and SUVs over the years, have never done the damage he did.


32 posted on 09/14/2019 9:29:30 AM PDT by libstripper (a bit,)
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To: Drew68

Nobody should ever lose their Constitutional rights because their name was put on a list without due process.

The definition of “gang member” or “terrorist” can be expanded quite easily.


Buck knows the Dems will never agree to that. It’s a poison pill and he is just posturing.


33 posted on 09/14/2019 9:31:14 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: rellimpank

Thanks for the heads-up. I wrote to my rep, suggesting that we red-flag gang bangers in Chicago as a test case. Let’s verify that the corrective action works. (That seems to be a huge hole in a lot of government ideas ... verifying that the action is successful, seeing where the money went, anything like that. It’s mind-boggling.)


34 posted on 09/14/2019 9:33:58 AM PDT by Cloverfarm (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem ...)
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To: abclily

If only it weren’t racist. /s


35 posted on 09/14/2019 9:37:22 AM PDT by gundog ( Hail to the Chief, bitches!)
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---I suspect Rep. Buck had a sly smile on when proposing this -

--and I agree that Cook County , Illinois would be a great place to propose a trial run--

36 posted on 09/14/2019 9:46:47 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the meda or government sayabout firearms or explosives--)
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To: Rurudyne
Democrats standing up for criminals again I see.


Democrats standing up for criminals constituents again I see.
37 posted on 09/14/2019 9:56:01 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Please, oh pretty please let Crazy Uncle Joe Biden be the nominee.)
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To: rellimpank
Gangs? Dem's want to protect gangs from red flags...and they want to confiscate our guns....(Maxine Water's gang) These poor lambs, Blood's and Crips just need continued hugs from Maxine....The Dem's, it would seem are heavily invested in the Drug Cartels as well...just follow the money. If Red Flag law is bad for gangs it must be really bad for the rest of us.
38 posted on 09/14/2019 9:56:22 AM PDT by yoe (.)
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To: rellimpank; All

Democrats promise low-information voters everything under the sun to stay in power, not that they actually intend to follow through with their promises.

The problem that Democrats have with following through on their constitutionally indefensible gun-control laws for example, is that they cannot let low-information voters find out that gun control laws are ineffective, evidenced by Chicago.


39 posted on 09/14/2019 9:59:56 AM PDT by Amendment10
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I see shootings/murders at least weekly here in Nashville. I go to the court website and enter the shooter’s name. Over 90% of the time, they are people with previous convictions on violent gun-related felonies and they are on the street on probation, parole and often multiple bonds. Bonds for people who have new violent felonies when they’re already on probation for previous convictions for similar crimes. So some new victim dies because the Court and the DA won’t do their jobs.


40 posted on 09/14/2019 10:00:57 AM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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