Posted on 10/17/2019 3:03:04 AM PDT by Cronos
Negotiators from the U.K. and EU have reached a draft Brexit deal in the eleventh hour of talks and ahead of a crucial EU summit on Thursday.
Sterling rose on news after the U.K. made concessions over the Irish border, an issue that had proven to be the biggest obstacle to a deal up to that point.
Discussions to hammer out a “Withdrawal Agreement” — that will now be put before EU leaders at their summit on Thursday and Friday, and then U.K. lawmakers at the weekend — had continued late into the night Tuesday and into Wednesday.
EU leaders will have to approve the draft agreement, as will a majority of U.K. lawmakers at a possible special parliamentary summit on Saturday. The EU Parliament will also have to ratify the deal at an, as yet, unspecified date.
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Note that this was all (since November 2018) about the WITHDRAWAL agreement. After October 31 starts the discussion about the future partnership between the UK and the EU.
Parliament can reject it but if it does UK bails out of the EU without a deal.
This is the only thing on the table and the EU is unlikely to grant the extension Remoaners are seeking.
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Labour is already criticizing it as worse than Theresa May’s deal but the UK is unlikely to get one that it really wants.
If it doesn’t like what’s on offer, it would have to a swallow a no-deal Brexit.
I don’t see the EU giving ground to the extent that every one in Britain wants.
The kind of deal Johnson’s opponents would go along with is sheer fantasy.
anything is possible with Brexit, but my guess is that Boris will have the numbers in parliament for this
Nearly all Tories will vote for it - it gives a complete Brexit for England-Wales and Scotland. So they can use that as an election plank
At least half of Labour will vote for it - so that THEY can use it as an election plank
SNP will abstain - in exchange for Indyref2 at a later date
LibDem, Greens will vote against it as they don’t want any Brexit.
DUP will vote against it as NI backstop
But the numbers will be in Boris favor I believe.
I hope he can get it through Parliament. The DUP look like they may be a problem, but the one advantage of losing his majority is that Johnson just about has to get some of the opposition to vote for a deal, which means, the DUP actually becomes less relevant - when they alone were enough to get him over the line, it was a lot harder to deal with them.
I said this in another thread, a moment ago.
I’ve been trying to get the UK out of the EU since the early 2000s. My concerns with it date back even further but I only became actively involved once I left military service - I didn’t consider politics appropriate while I was serving.
This isn’t a new issue to me.
And sovereignty has always been my primary concern, and ‘ever closer union’ is the threat to that sovereignty.
If the EU was still the common market the UK joined, I’d probably be in favour of it. But it’s changed from that and it will continue to change.
Until it was too late to leave.
This isn’t Britain’s last chance yet - but it’s getting very close to that, so I damned well want out now.
The UK is still a sovereign nation - but I fear it wouldn’t be in five more years if it stayed in.
Getting out now... even if the deal isn’t perfect, once the UK is out there’s nothing stopping it trying to fix whatever’s still broken - in fact it will be easier in many ways to negotiate further.
I believe Boris will be remembered as a great negotiator. NI voted against #brexit overall so they got their wish. But the british patriots get their country back. Unlike May’s Follies, which were all #BRINO, this deal removes all EU power over England, Scotland, and Wales including smarmy, Brussels regulators and courts who expected any deal to leave them in effective control of the UK. May colluded with EU overlords to insure no Brexit ever happens. Every mention of “delay” “extension” really decodes as bypassing the 2016 vote in desperate hopes of a shift in new voters, brainwashed to want Socialism and to fear Nationalism plus “New Citizens” who are are not from the UK nor share its ideals that could overturn the referendum eventually.
Soros has spent a bundle on this One EU, leading to One World government. Between Brexit and Trump, his dreams are dying and money wasted.
As an Irish American I hope the North will decide to reunite with Eire but also understand the sentiments of the prods who in this deal have a framework to end the agreement’s temporary EU like customs arrangements. After Independence they will want to leave the EU too, as one or two irish states.
the only difference between this plan and May’s is that the backstop is limited to Northern Ireland only.
That was the initial May plan before it was vetoed by the DUP. But with the DUP no longer a factor, there is more chance for a deal.
Finally.
EU needs to collect the billions upfront.
You are right that in some situations it is easier to have a strong minority than a weak majority.
Whatever else one thinks of Harper (and I think he was pretty good given that this is Canada in the 21st century) he knew how to run a minority government.
All it will take is one of the bigger parties not whipping the vote, a sufficient number of abstentions, and presto—no election and Brexit happens.
Great negotiator? Conceding to the other party on virtually every point isn't the usual definition of great negotiation. Persuading your own constituency that in doing so you've nonetheless 'won' would be the mark of an able magician, not quite the same as a great negotiator.
are $30b now and is stretched to be paid over decades.
While it isn't peanuts, it isn't anything but a minor side-event. The deal is the most important, especially about the Irish border
He is a good spin-doctor
The billions were stuck in Bojo’s craw pretty good.
They’re making a very big deal out of it so they can blame Boris when it fails
Why would it fail? It is Brexit with the UK out of the EU and the customs union. Leaving completely.
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