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Brown University Scholar Tells the Truth About Slavery
citizenfreepress.com ^ | 12/1/19 | Kane

Posted on 12/02/2019 3:01:05 AM PST by a little elbow grease

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To: elpadre
The NYT “1619 Project” is riddled with error and seem to be a deliberate attempt to change actual history.

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There's a surprise.

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41 posted on 12/02/2019 9:20:42 AM PST by a little elbow grease (... to err is human, to admit it divine ...)
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To: kearnyirish2

Don’t forget Portugal.


42 posted on 12/02/2019 9:22:25 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: ActresponsiblyinVA
Why do people wallow in the past and not report on the current slavery in the world? Possibly it is because they do not want to trace where this slavery exists and are afraid to criticize where it exists.

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You are very correct!

43 posted on 12/02/2019 9:25:59 AM PST by a little elbow grease (... to err is human, to admit it divine ...)
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To: a little elbow grease

The Lies of the New York Times’ 1619 Project...:

A few months ago, I started posting this little historical exercise about Slavery in pre America:

Slavery was, not yet a reality, even in any British Royal American Colonies by 1619.

1619: The year, the first Endentured Africans, not slaves, were brought to Jamestown, is drilled into students’ memories, but overemphasizing this date distorts history!

1619: First Africans:

In August 1619 “20 and odd Negroes” arrived on the Dutch Man-of-War ship at Jamestown colony. This is the earliest record of Black people in colonial America.[38] These colonists were freemen and indentured servants.[39][40][41][42] At this time the slave trade between Africa and the English colonies had not yet been established.

Records from 1623 and 1624 listed the African inhabitants of the colony as servants, not slaves. In the case of William Tucker, the first Black person born in the colonies, freedom was his birthright.[43] He was son of “Antony and Isabell”, a married couple from Angola who worked as indentured servants for Captain William Tucker whom he was named after. Yet, court records show that at least one African had been declared a slave by 1640; John Punch. He was an indentured servant who ran away along with two White indentured servants and he was sentenced by the governing council to lifelong servitude. This action is what officially marked the institution of slavery in Jamestown and the future United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Jamestown,_Virginia_(1607–99)#1619:_First_Africans

Jamestown was not an American colony nor even a British Colony at that time, 1619.

Read more: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/misguided-focus-1619-beginning-slavery-us-damages-our-understanding-american-history-180964873/#rw41X6dSPyUlLd4m.99

https://www.history.com/topics/black-history/slavery

Before going to the link above, everyone, ask yourself a simple question:

In what year did the former British/American Colonies, become America/the USA and recognized by the world powers as America.

Hint, It was not in 1619.

It was 1783! America’s independence was recognized by Britain in 1783.

The Emancipation Proclamation was in 1863, 80 years after we became a recognized country.

This year,2019, will make freedom from Slavery/1863, for 156 years in America, the USA. Thanks to the The Emancipation Proclamation being declared in 1863.

The US had legal slavery for 80 years! Liberal liars scream “400 years” of slavery, and it is a complete lie.

At this point, blacks in today’s America, have been free for much longer than their ancestors were slaves! (nearly twice as long).

*How many union soldiers died to free the Slaves: - Quora:
https://www.quora.com/How-many-union-soldiers-died

*Approximately 110,000 Union Soldiers died due to battle-related causes during the Civil War. Around 250,000 died of disease. Yes, you were more likely to die of illness later than on the battlefield. The deadliest battle for both sides was the infamous Battle of Gettysburg, totaling more than 50,000 casualties.

At least 360,000 Union soldiers died from battle causes or illnesses linked to their service in the Civil War. More suffered from physical and mental wounds for most of their lives post Civil War.

Women born just before, during and after the Civil War in the battleground states often died in their 20’s to 30’s. My Dad’s mother and one of her sisters died in their late 20’s. Women in their families before and after the civil war lived into their late 70’s to 80’s.

Lincoln: The Founders did not make America racist or slaver. They inherited it that way!
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Posted on 9/2/2019, 4:35:14 PM by ProgressingAmerica

Abraham Lincoln:

Judge Douglas asks you, “Why cannot the institution of slavery, or rather, why cannot the nation, part slave and part free, continue as our fathers made it forever?” In the first place, I insist that our fathers did not make this nation half slave and half free, or part slave and part free. I insist that they found the institution of slavery existing here. They did not make it so, but they left it so because they knew of no way to get rid of it at that time.

When Judge Douglas undertakes to say that, as a matter of choice, the fathers of the Government made this nation part slave and part free, he assumes what is historically a falsehood. More than that: when the fathers of the Government cut off the source of slavery by the abolition of the slave-trade, and adopted a system of restricting it from the new Territories where it had not existed, I maintain that they placed it where they understood, and all sensible men understood, it was in the course of ultimate extinction; and when Judge Douglas asks me why it cannot continue as our fathers made it, I ask him why he and his friends could not let it remain as our fathers made it?

The Founding Fathers could not undo in just a few short years what the King spent over a century doing.

Because of the false teachings of progressivism, it has become one of the greatest of ironies that the “Great Emancipator” was also one of the most ardent defenders of the Founding Fathers - specifically on the topic of slavery.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3776122/post


44 posted on 12/02/2019 9:26:58 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Lincoln: The Founders did not make America racist or slaver. They inherited it that way!)
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To: central_va
Slavery is the norm on Mars apparently. The sci fi gurus state the colonies with slave factories are underground on mars.

Infact in 2015, congress passed a law outlawing slavery on mars. no kidding.

On June 15, the U.S. House of Representatives took a major step in passing a bill that provides legal protection to space mining by U.S. based corporations that establish off-world operations. While most members of the House’s “Science, Space and Technology Committee” that passed the bill may have done so with the impression that they would protect the rights of U.S. companies in future space mining missions, they instead have provided legal protection to corporations that have been secretly conducting such operations for decades. This is especially significant given recent claims that off-world space mining by U.S. affiliated corporations have used slave labor on Mars and elsewhere in our solar system.

There is no freedom and democracy off planet. Just indentured servants, slaves and contract military employees. https://www.exopolitics.org/us-congress-to-protect-slave-labor-on-mars-corporate-space-colonies/

White slavery is the norm off planet. Blacks are not needed out there apparently.

45 posted on 12/02/2019 9:30:17 AM PST by x_plus_one (Epstein did not kill himself.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Thank you for that!


46 posted on 12/02/2019 9:33:09 AM PST by a little elbow grease (... to err is human, to admit it divine ...)
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To: Grampa Dave
Approximately 110,000 Union Soldiers died due to battle-related causes during the Civil War. Around 250,000 died of disease. Yes, you were more likely to die of illness later than on the battlefield.

I have always thought that statistic was BS. For example, if a soldier dies of gangrene 6 months after receiving his wound in a hospital 500 miles away from where the battle was originally fought is that a battlefield death or a death by disease?

47 posted on 12/02/2019 10:21:34 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

What caused the disease?


48 posted on 12/02/2019 10:29:52 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Lincoln: The Founders did not make America racist or slaver. They inherited it that way!)
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To: Grampa Dave

A bullet wound caused the infection and death 6 months after the actual wounding.


49 posted on 12/02/2019 10:33:10 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: qaz123

They will never acknowledge the first slave owner or the tens of thousands of blacks who owned slaves - more than 3,000 in New Orleans alone.

BTW - of the 102 passengers on the Mayflower, half of them were indentured servants, some of them children. In those days there was not much difference between an indentured servant and a slave. The first slave owned by the black man, he had been an indentured servant and ordered into slavery by the courts.


50 posted on 12/02/2019 10:46:48 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: Wonder Warthog

Their “turn” was much earlier, with most NE states having manumission laws by the 1780s and states having clauses outlawing slavery in place before the Const.


51 posted on 12/02/2019 10:46:49 AM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: central_va

Ask some Nam vets or their survivors with modern medicine.

Save your energy for tariffs and current events not refighting the war lost last century.


52 posted on 12/02/2019 11:05:33 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Lincoln: The Founders did not make America racist or slaver. They inherited it that way!)
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To: snoringbear

The term of indenture was frequently ignored. The first black slave of Anthony Johnson had been an indentured servant. He was held by Anthony for years past his freedom date.


53 posted on 12/02/2019 12:12:22 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane

“In those days there was not much difference between an indentured servant and a slave.”

There was a big difference. Indentured servitude was for a fixed time length, seven years was the common length of an indenture. If an indentured woman had a child, that child was freeborn. Slavery was from the cradle to the grave. If your mother was a slave, you were a slave. You would remain a slave for the rest of your life.
An indentured servant that completed his indenture was a free person. The only ways a slave became free was 1. run away. 2. Save up enough money to buy ones freedom. 3. Be freed by your master, in his will, or any reason that the master may deem appropriate. 4. After 1863 the arrival of blue coated soldiers meant you were a free person.

Those to me seem to be considerable differences between indentured servitude and slavery.


54 posted on 12/02/2019 12:25:26 PM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: LS

Massachusetts didn’t pass any laws against slavery then. In fact, in many towns if a slave owner wanted to free a slave they had to post a bond - sometimes $500 - before they could free him/her. Towns were afraid they would have to support the slave because they had no farm land or no skills to support themselves.

There was a slave market down at Fanueil Hall. Slaves were bought and sold there - something they don’t tell you when you take your tour down in Quincy Market. One of my ancestors was the last slave owner in Lexington, MA. He could have posted a bond but where would the slave go? He had no means to support himself. He was free to leave but leaving wasn’t really an option.

BTW it wasn’t just blacks who had hard times then. If a white man didn’t have any land or not enough land and he couldn’t provide enough food or firewood for his family, he was auctioned off by the town to someone who was willing to provide food and shelter.


55 posted on 12/02/2019 12:34:11 PM PST by ladyjane
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To: Grampa Dave

But you didn’t comment on my question in that how is a man dying months after being wounded from infection counted?


56 posted on 12/02/2019 1:50:17 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: LS
"Their “turn” was much earlier, with most NE states having manumission laws by the 1780s and states having clauses outlawing slavery in place before the Const."

Basically irrelevant. It was a long time between 1633 and 1780..longer than the time between the passage of the Constitution and the Civil War. I will agree that the Puritans "did" do much that was very exceptional for the day and time...but they don't get a pass on the slavery issue.

57 posted on 12/02/2019 2:58:44 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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To: RinaseaofDs
The Libyan Slave Trade Has Shocked the World. Here’s What You Should Know

Media Erase NATO Role in Bringing Slave Markets to Libya

How the EU is responsible for slavery in Libya The migration policies of the European Union have directly resulted in slavery conditions for migrants in Libya.

58 posted on 12/02/2019 3:09:29 PM PST by csvset (tolerance becomes a crime when attached to evil)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
1619 Project keyword, chrono sorted:

59 posted on 12/02/2019 3:33:45 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Wonder Warthog

They should. The number of slaves in NE was miniscule. It wasn’t all out of good will: crops in the NE simply weren’t tailored to mass agriculture.

I’d like to see any source you have that suggests there was any considerable degree of slavery in the New England area prior to the Revolution.


60 posted on 12/02/2019 4:38:22 PM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually" (Hendrix))
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