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To: Boogieman
An indictment for a case...It’s very easy to make assertions...This was purely political grandstanding...that’s ludicrous on its face...

I take it that's a "NO! I did not read it

With a side helping of "and I will not do so now at your urging, either

OK, suit yourself.

It seems way too specific to just be a bunch of conjecture dreamed up by the investigating agents and DOJ attorneys.

For instance:

12. Defendant IVAN SERGEYEVICH YERMAKOV (Ермаков Иван Сергеевич) was a Russian military officer assigned to ANTONOV’s department within Unit 26165. Since in or around 2010, YERMAKOV used various online personas, including “Kate S. Milton,” “James McMorgans,” and “Karen W. Millen,” to conduct hacking operations on behalf of Unit 26165. In or around March 2016, YERMAKOV participated in hacking at least two email accounts from which campaign-related documents were released through DCLeaks. In or around May 2016, YERMAKOV also participated in hacking the DNC email server and stealing DNC emails that were later released through Organization 1


303 posted on 12/09/2019 2:47:45 PM PST by Jack Black
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b. Starting on or about March 19, 2016, LUKASHEV and his co-conspirators sent spearphishing emails to the personal accounts of other individuals affiliated with the Clinton Campaign, including its campaign manager and a senior foreign policy advisor. On or about March 25, 2016, LUKASHEV used the same john356gh account to mask additional links included in spearphishing emails sent to numerous individuals affiliated with the Clinton Campaign, including Victims 1 and 2. LUKASHEV sent these emails from the Russia-based email account hi.mymail@yandex.com that he spoofed to appear to be from Google.

c. On or about March 28, 2016, YERMAKOV researched the names of Victims 1 and 2 and their association with Clinton on various social media sites. Through their spearphishing operations, LUKASHEV, YERMAKOV, and their co-conspirators successfully stole email credentials and thousands of emails from numerous individuals affiliated with the Clinton Campaign. Many of these stolen emails, including those from Victims 1 and 2, were later released by the Conspirators through DCLeaks.

d. On or about April 6, 2016, the Conspirators created an email account in the name (with a one-letter deviation from the actual spelling) of a known member of the Clinton Campaign. The Conspirators then used that account to send spearphishing emails to the work accounts of more than thirty different Clinton Campaign< employees.

In the spearphishing emails, LUKASHEV and his co-conspirators embedded a link purporting to direct the recipient to a document titled “hillaryclinton-favorable-rating.xlsx.” In fact, this link directed the recipients’ computers to a GRU-created website. 22. The Conspirators spearphished individuals affiliated with the Clinton Campaign throughout the summer of 2016. For example, on or about July 27, 2016, the Conspirators

attempted after hours to spearphish for the first time email accounts at a domain hosted by a thirdparty provider and used by Clinton’s personal office. At or around the same time, they also targeted seventy-six email addresses at the domain for the Clinton Campaign.


304 posted on 12/09/2019 2:53:28 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: Jack Black

I take it that’s a “NO! I did not read it”

I guess you can take it however you want, but yes I did read it.

“It seems way too specific to just be a bunch of conjecture dreamed up by the investigating agents and DOJ attorneys.”

Yeah, the Internet Research Agency indictment “seems specific” too, until you read the relevant magazine article expose on them long before Mueller got started and realize that literally everything in the indictment was pulled from that article.

The fact is, there is no actual evidence in the indictment. We have no idea what the basis for any of these assertions is. We will never see any of that evidence in a court of law either (if it ever existed), because:

a) None of these Russians are ever going to set foot in our jurisdiction now, and obviously Mueller knew that.
b) Even if they did somehow get apprehended, any actual intelligence sources that were used to prepare this indictment would be classified, which would make discovery in a criminal court a nightmare, and the case would likely be dropped.

Now we already know Mueller is a hack who spent years pursuing a politically motivated witch hunt. We also know he was not above using every dirty trick in the book to try to produce results for whoever he was really working for. Why should I believe that he wouldn’t just put a bunch of unverified BS into an indictment that he knew very well he would never have to produce the evidence for in court?

There is certainly ample reason to question the factual nature of many things Mueller asserts, just based on the publicly available facts about the case.


308 posted on 12/09/2019 3:37:54 PM PST by Boogieman
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