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The 8 Republicans who voted to curb Trump's Iran war powers
The Hill ^ | - 02/13/20 02:33 PM EST | JORDAIN CARNEY

Posted on 02/13/2020 12:13:49 PM PST by conservative98

Sen. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.)

Sen. Bill Cassidy (La.)

Sen. Susan Collins (Maine)

Sen. Mike Lee (Utah)

Sen. Jerry Moran (Kan.)

Sen. Lisa Murkowski (Alaska)

Sen. Rand Paul (Ky.)

Sen. Todd Young (Ind.)

 

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To: rintintin

Iran declared war on the United States. Technically we are at war with Iran.


21 posted on 02/13/2020 12:24:26 PM PST by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping List)
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To: conservative98

Such measures have zero practical or constitutional effect. It’s just more b s


22 posted on 02/13/2020 12:24:31 PM PST by faithhopecharity ( “Politicians are not born; they are excreted.” Marcus Tullius Cicero (106 to 43 BCE).)
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To: usconservative

“to make America look weak and to attempt to weaken President Trump.”

Really? Did FDR look “weak” because he went before Congress after Pearl Harbor and asked Congress to declare war, before he launched our military response? On this occasion - unlike on many others - FDR was abiding by the Constitution.


23 posted on 02/13/2020 12:25:34 PM PST by rintintin
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To: conservative98

VETO - End of story.

But thanks for WASTING even more time in the Swamp!


24 posted on 02/13/2020 12:26:23 PM PST by LeonardFMason (Lou Dobbs)
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To: conservative98

Well shut my mouth...


25 posted on 02/13/2020 12:26:53 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Time to up our FR Monthlies by 5-10%. You'll < hardly miss it and it will help.)
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To: P-Marlowe

“Iran declared war on the United States. Technically we are at war with Iran.”

Japan committed an act of war on Dec 7. FDR still went before Congress and asked for a declaration of war against Japan. Back then, the Constitution was still revered.


26 posted on 02/13/2020 12:27:25 PM PST by rintintin
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To: KC_Lion

Amen! I call him Jerry Moron.


27 posted on 02/13/2020 12:28:05 PM PST by 3ZZZ
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To: conservative98

All of this is a silly trifle. Trump’s not marching us off to war, and it’s goofy to pretend he is. He’s the anti-war president.


28 posted on 02/13/2020 12:29:32 PM PST by dead (Trump puts crazy glue on their grenades and they never know it until after they pull the pin.)
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To: rintintin

The Constitution gives the power to launch war with Congress, not the President.


neither that, nor its opposite are correct. The answer is rather more complex than that - but not generally overly so.

The Constitution gives the power to Declare War. From the beginning, the Founders understood that to be a different thing from making war when we are attacked or even merely threatened - which the Executive can do without a Declaration. (See discussions on war against the Barbary Pirates).

If we wanted to simply take Mexico, for example, that would require a Congressional Declaration of War. If Mexico was deemed a threat to the US by such things as massing troops on the border, or local Mexican militias conducting raids across the border, responding to those by invading into Mexico would not require any such declaration.


29 posted on 02/13/2020 12:29:48 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Ww2 was the last “declared “ war we were in.

That’s right, because the Constitution has been whittled away in the years since. our politicians ignore most parts of the Constitution, why should it be different with the Constitution’s requirement that launching war is the authority of Congress, not the president ? The one difference here is that many “conservatives” are ok with ignoring this part of the Constitution.


30 posted on 02/13/2020 12:30:23 PM PST by rintintin
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To: conservative98

The usual suspects.


31 posted on 02/13/2020 12:31:37 PM PST by Free in Texas (Celebrate diversity. Own firearms of every caliber.)
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To: conservative98

These same senators would never vote to limit Obama to anything.

Mitch, get rid of these cowards.


32 posted on 02/13/2020 12:32:57 PM PST by Bullish (Covfefe Happens)
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To: Sacajaweau

Have we declared a war since WWII? Don’t think so. Oh, and I was told Nam was a police action. Since I got my butt nearly blown off there and spent four months in the hospital, I thought it was a war, but later found out it was only a police action. I guess I was doing my part of the policing in the southside of Chicago!!!


33 posted on 02/13/2020 12:33:19 PM PST by RetiredArmy (The Bible tells us the happenings of the Last Days. Those days are HERE! Deny it at your own peril)
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To: rintintin

Really? Did FDR look “weak” because he went before Congress after Pearl Harbor and asked Congress to declare war, before he launched our military response?


To counterattack against the Japanese did not require a Declaration of War. What the Declaration did, was make the war a matter of public policy, and to invoke numerous powers that are only authorized under a declared war (such as being able to prosecute “Treason during a time of War”).

FDR would certainly have looked weak if instead of declaring war, Congress had passed a resolution barring FDR from action. There are not only two options here.


34 posted on 02/13/2020 12:34:39 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: conservative98

So Romney voted No!


35 posted on 02/13/2020 12:34:48 PM PST by AU72
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To: conservative98

Todd Young just got an ear full from me. I don’t care that it was a “resolution”.


36 posted on 02/13/2020 12:38:18 PM PST by southernindymom
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To: conservative98

Just the usual RINOs. Romney is DS. There is a difference!

WWG1WGA!


37 posted on 02/13/2020 12:39:54 PM PST by Billyv ( Ephesians 6:11 for we battle not against flesh and blood...Pray for our leaders and nation!)
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To: conservative98

Arizona behaved. Nice to see.


38 posted on 02/13/2020 12:44:57 PM PST by Not A Snowbird (I trust President Trump.)
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To: conservative98

You forgot Tom Cotton. I believe he also voted for the bill.


39 posted on 02/13/2020 12:45:52 PM PST by TexasCruzin (Trump is the man. #TrumpPence16)
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To: rintintin

You do know the US Navy sank a Japanese sub shortly before the bombs started dropping on Pearl Harbor, right? The Constitution forbids the president from declaring war but it does allow him to initiate military action.


40 posted on 02/13/2020 12:47:57 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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