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To: MtnClimber
Can't say if the son pulled the trigger on purpose or if he just had his finger inside the trigger guard when Arbury pulled on the barrel.

McMichael shot Arbery three times. Even if the first shot was caused by Arbrey pulling on the shotgun, McMichael would have had to work the pump twice and pull the trigger twice. Nothing accidental in that.

Just try taking a cop's gun and see what happens.

These weren't cops. They were vigilante wannabes.

39 posted on 05/18/2020 9:35:26 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
My neighborhood (actually a very nice neighborhood) had a rash of burglaries and formed a very active neighborhood watch. If a car starts driving around suspiciously, it is often followed, usually by retired guys in golf carts. The police work closely with our neighborhood watch and encouraged it.

These aren't vigilantes. They are people protecting their homes, families, and property.

43 posted on 05/18/2020 9:40:24 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: DoodleDawg

As he was being attacked. One of the shots was completely off the video and could have been either of them. The neighbor barely had control of the gun most of the time in the video when the psycho attacked him.

It’ll be hard to find 12 people who don’t see him attack from a long distance when he had lot’s of alternatives. And that he knew exactly why he was being chased and why neighbors were calling 9/11


44 posted on 05/18/2020 9:41:09 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dog is man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up. ....)
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To: DoodleDawg
McMichael would have had to work the pump twice and pull the trigger twice. Nothing accidental in that.

The shotgun was an auto-loader. Just keep pulling the trigger until the magazine is empty. Fires every time. With a bad grip on the stock you can accidentally bump-fire the weapon too.

Aubery was grappling for the shotgun right up to the moment where he turned to run away. McMichaels had his fingers on the trigger. Of course the weapon fired multiple times during the grappling. Not much deliberation required.

Disarming an antagonist who holds a weapon a low ready is a stupid move. That only works in the movies.

64 posted on 05/18/2020 10:23:13 AM PDT by flamberge (The wheels keep turning)
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To: DoodleDawg
McMichael shot Arbery three times. Even if the first shot was caused by Arbrey pulling on the shotgun, McMichael would have had to work the pump twice and pull the trigger twice. Nothing accidental in that.

I think you are making assumptions that are different from my assumptions from what I saw in the video and from news reports I heard. News reports said that Arbery had three gunshot wounds, one to the hand and two to the chest, not that he was shot three times. The shotgun seemed to go off once during the struggle without hitting anyone. When the struggle began for the shotgun, the person taking the video turned away to get a picture of the hammer that Arbery dropped just before getting to the truck. As the camera view came back up you can see the smoke from the shotgun blast when the background was just the sky. When the video was back on the struggle, the barrel was pointed between the two men and they were still fighting for the shotgun. I assume that the shotgun was a semi auto, but will have to look at the video again. The elder McMichael (a retired police officer and investigator for the DA after retirement from PD) also had a gun that was concealed carry until he pulled it out to go help his son. It was a 357 magnum revolver. What I assume happened: The elder McMichael shoots Arbery and hits him in the chest. The shotgun goes off (several possible reasons that this could happen) hitting Arbery in one of the hands he is holding onto the barrel with and then hitting him in the chest. The video shows Arbery falling, but no more shots being fired. The elder McMichael saw Arbery enter the house under construction (burglarized so often cameras were installed inside) and called 911 before Arbery took off running. That is all the probable cause you would need in Georgia to make a citizens arrest and hold him for the police. If I was trying to stop someone I believed was a criminal, I would be armed too, if it was possible.

77 posted on 05/18/2020 11:09:56 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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