Is Yakima Overwhelmed by the Corona Virus or by something else

Common Sense Book ^ | 06/25/2020? | David Spring M. Ed.

[A44MAGNUT]

On June 20, 2020, Washington Governor Jay Inslee held a press conference claiming that Yakima was being overwhelmed by the corona virus. Given that in the past, Inslee claimed 2 million people would be killed in the US by the corona virus – and that hospitals in Washington state would be overwhelmed by the corona virus, it is amazing to me that anyone still believes anything this guy says. For those with short memories,...

[palmer]

Please post the statistics that prove that the majority of new cases of COVID are in those who do not wear masks and/or who do not socially distance in public?

First of all, science does not permit "proof" of anything, only evidence for and evidence against. One compelling piece of evidence for spread without masks, with no touching, greater than six foot spacing and a large indoor space is the church choir event. There are more but that one is a good example. Some less substantial evidence for masks stopping the spread is the Missouri beauty parlor. There are other explanations such as the interactions being too short to allow spread.

You are welcome to provide evidence that masks do not work.

Seeing that a large percentage of new infections are among the “woke” millennial population, who happen to be the most compliant virtue-signaling mask wearers, I’m guessing those statistics are nonexistent.

That's not evidence of anything other than you don't like millenials. I see a lot fewer millenials with masks than older people.

[palmer]

It is debatable whether they do more harm than good.

Based on people touching their faces more because of the mask? That's user error, not evidence that masks are harmful.

[hal ogen]

If it makes some people “feel” better and safer...who cares. Just don’t force others to go along with the charade. Freedom has its risks.

[hal ogen]

What was that?

[Mom MD]

are you listings the only difference is wearing masks? you can’t know. the choir may have all gone out to eat somewhere together or shared a pot luck. they may have gone to a mutual third place where they contracted it. there may have been contaminated surfaces in the choir loft that a mask would have been useless for. You don’t and can’t know. same with the beauty shop. cleaning surfaces and other measures may and likely were far more important than masks. Your anecdotal report proves nothing t

As far as the NEJM article if masks are useless with health care professionals who know how to fit and wear them with medical grade masks the stuff you see in the grocery store is even less effective. You can use your magic talisman anyway you want but you cannot claim science behind it. There is none

[Mom MD]

exactly

[A44MAGNUT]

"You can rationaliize them away by claiming masks are completely useless (not true) and a power grab (hardly)."

palmer, I can no longer take what you write with any sincerity. The Lock-downs (soft martial law), the arbitrary phases for a dictator to decide who and when a person is essential so he/she can put food on the table for his/her family, compulsory mask wearing in all 39 counties of the state when only 2-3 counties have an increased infection rate we don't understand and a governor who doesn't give a damn about finding out, a governor on video with Bernie Sanders admitting this virus needs to be used to tear our economy down to build it back up in the image of the Green New Deal, a governor whose science is garbage models from University of Washington technocrats and YOU write a power grab hardly? palmer, you have no credibility or are completely ignorant as to what is happening in this state. A tagline is now appropriate to help you out.

[palmer]

you can’t know. the choir may have all gone out to eat somewhere together or shared a pot luck

They did not do that. It shows you haven't researched this.

[Scrambler Bob]

Inslee’s order exempts people who are hard of hearing from his mask mandate. Can anyone explain this exemption?
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What?
What?

I cannot hear you.

I need to take off my mask.

[hal ogen]

Is your computer in your basement closet? Askin’ for a friend...

[Mom MD]

because people who are hard of hearing read lips

[palmer]

The Lock-downs (soft martial law), the arbitrary phases for a dictator to decide who and when a person is essential...

I agree that the lock-downs were unnecessary. We would have had the same outcome with or without, just different timing. We could have protected the elderly instead of sending sick people into nursing homes, etc.

None of that has very much to do with whether wearing a mask is useful or not.

Obviously the carbon agenda is an admission that they want to destroy the economy one way or another. They will use any excuse they can.

[Scrambler Bob]

because people who are hard of hearing read lips
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I agree. I do this.

So how does ME taking of MY mask help me read their lips?

[elbook]

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NATIONAL DISTANCING FROM THE CHICOM PLAGUE PIT

People and Goods til PROVEN inspection system are in place.

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[Turbo Pig]

You can pretend that masks don't work, but they do, although not perfect. You can claim that they restrict breathing, and that is true. Or you can claim it infringes on your "freedom", but that it just a rationalization.

"You might be sick, so you must wear a mask to protect others" sounds eerily similar to "You might commit murder, so you shouldn't have a gun". My question to you is next year, or the year after when we have a bad flu season with infection and mortality rates similar to the China virus are you going to advocate slamming the door shut on the economy and forcing healthy people to wear masks?

[palmer]

are you going to advocate slamming the door shut on the economy and forcing healthy people to wear masks?

Aren't those two different things? They should not have shut down the economy, that's a fact It is going to take a long time to recover because the retail model has changed to be more online with fewer retail employees, and many restaurants will never reopen. Our economy will grow into new opportunities and people will get different jobs, but it will take a while.

Meanwhile it is very likely that masks reduce spread. There is plenty of evidence they do. There is no evidence that anyone has presented that they don't work. There is an NEJM paper with that claim but nothing to support it, and only five references which don't support the claim (or in fact any claims in the paper).

[A44MAGNUT]

None of that has very much to do with whether wearing a mask is useful or not.

A blanket statement asking whether wearing a mask is useful or not invites an easy answer. NO, a mask is not useful.

A mask is not useful to a person with severe asthma and the uncontrontrolable anxiety that follows or is precipitated by the mask.

A mask is not useful to a person with COPD or any pulmonary disorder where oxygen levels are already impaired.

A mask is not useful to a person with cardiac issues such as atrial fibrillation or worse where oxygen levels are compromised.

A mask is not useful to a person with immune suppression issues whether from prior illness or treatment because of the concentration of bacteria and virus inside the mask.

I'm sure some physician friends of mine can list more than 100 medical issues that require avoiding masks.

A blanket statement that a mask is useful is a bogus statement.

[Mom MD]

it doesn’t. it would have to be the people around you . Do you really expect the government to make sense😆😆

[palmer]

I'm sure some physician friends of mine can list more than 100 medical issues that require avoiding masks.

I'm sure they can and I'm not going to argue with that list. With those exceptions my statement still stands. Getting infected is about viral load. It generally takes 1000's of particles to get infected which could all be in one droplet or spread across several or many droplets. The fewer droplets, the fewer virus particles, the less the chance of infection.

There's a persistent myth that one particle is going to infect a person like a mosquito flying through a chain link fence. That's not true. YOu can read about that here: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/getting-healthy-now/202004/coronavirus-the-importance-viral-load Regarding masks they say "Masks should help." Hardly a ringing endorsement of masks. But at least the article explains viral load.

[HotHunt]

Rationalizing is a good thing. It is thinking based on logic and reason. As opposed to irrational thinking, which is based on neither

Imposing mask mandates is just a method of controlling the population. Softening them up for the next step in communism.

I will say this. If you want to wear a mask based on some bogus scientific reasoning by a politician like Inslee or Fuaci, who has gone back and forth on whether to wear on or not, that's fine.

But to criticize others as "rationalizing" because they don't think it's necessary is arrogant. I have just as much right to an opinion based on rationale as you do on what basis I don't know. You don't give any evidence that they are effective.

There are many doctors who say wearing a mask is not good for you. What about them? The OSHA regulations dictate the oxygen intake for masks and no one is checking that out. Many people cannot wear mask because of COPD, asthma, or sicknesses like bronchitis or pneumonia.

If all people don't wear a mask then they are useless. I have never worn a mask since this started. I live on a 30 acre cattle farm and they seem pointless. I walk for 45 minutes every morning on the highway shoulder in front of my farm and have literally had people like you stop and tell me the county requires masks. Really? Busy bodies. Nothing worse than a know it all.