U.S. warns citizens of heightened detention risks in China

Reuters ^ | July 11, 2020

[Biggirl]

Well BLM is in for a big surprise come November.

[SkyPilot]

The DOJ will support any litigant should challenges those stupid orders.

Did the DOJ support this lawsuit in California for violating the 1st and 14th Amendments?

https://www.redstate.com/alexparker/2020/04/28/gavin-newsom-lawsuit-first-amendment-fourteenth-ron-givens-christine-bish-center-american-liberty-harmeet-dhillon/

What about this one?

https://abcnews.go.com/US/small-business-owners-file-suit-gov-newsom-ca/story?id=70365949

What about this one from 2 days ago?

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article244144522.html

I am honestly asking: which lawsuit did the DOJ intercede, and how many have they not lifted a finger?

I don't know.

Barr said back in April the DOJ would "be on the look out for state and local directives that could be violating the constitutional rights and civil liberties of individual citizens."

Per the memo, people don't even have to take the legal action. The DOJ can act on their behalf per the Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/page/file/1271456/download

Do these legal geniuses even read the news?

California banned worship singing in churches.

The First Amendment has been TRASHED across the nation. Peaceable assembly, speech, worship - all torn to shreds.

What the did the "civil rights" vanguards do to help?

[SkyPilot]

I think there is perhaps a fundamental difference in between how Asians and many Americans, see face masks.

There used to be.

Not any more.

In five short months, we have adopted (and perhaps even exceeded) the ChiCom mask tyranny.

[servantboy777]

China’s laser focused on Taiwan. May not be tomorrow or next month...but they will make a move on Taiwan. Chinese agents have infiltrated every aspect of life on this island.

[ealgeone]

We should immediately move to evict all Chinese students at our universities. They are robbing us blind.

[Alberta's Child]

Why don't you do the research on those and find out the details of the cases? You can even contact the attorneys for the plaintiffs directly.

The First Amendment has been TRASHED across the nation. Peaceable assembly, speech, worship - all torn to shreds. What the did the "civil rights" vanguards do to help?

The very first case in Federal court was filed months ago against the governor of Kentucky. The DOJ filed its own briefs in support of the plaintiffs in that case. The Federal judge in the case issued a humiliating injunction against the State of Kentucky and the local officials who were trying to shut down religious services.

I know this because it was all over FR at the time. Were you alive while this was going on? The judge in the case was named Justin Walker -- which I only know because he was appointed by President Trump to an appellate court seat. He was confirmed by the Senate within the last month or so.

Many similar lawsuits, along with other lawsuits involving Second Amendment claims, never even had to be filed after these early ones because the state and local governments backed down after the DOJ got involved. Even in New Jersey -- where gun-grabbing is a religion and the voting rolls are filled with dingbat Karens and feckless men -- the governor removed gun dealers from the list of "non-essential" businesses within about two minutes after the DOJ issued a formal statement indicating that gun dealers are considered "essential" in every respect under Federal law.

Here in my state the governor even went so far as to issue a "mandatory facemask" order that was comical on its face (pun intended) -- because it included a frank admission that the state could not enforce the order.

Imagine that: A dictator making orders that are so pathetic he already knows he can't enforce them.

Go to church or stage a demonstration today. I'll bet nothing happens to you.

Government officials are bad enough, but I have nothing but contempt for "religious leaders" who shut down their church services even in jurisdictions where exceptions to government shutdowns are written into state constitutions.

[Zhang Fei]

[China news.

Not sure what is up with this. ]

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This is basically lobbing a grenade at FDI in China. They are letting American businessmen know that if they are detained, don’t expect consular staff to be able to do anything for them. This is also a broader signal to all business types who do business in China. If the strongest power on earth can’t protect its citizens in China, what hope does any of the other countries have vis-a-vis its citizens?

[Cold Heart]

“Anyone visiting a communist country has a degree of risk when it comes to govt. action against them.”

I know what you mean. I feel the same way about visiting Portland.

[Biggirl]

Except for BLM. A-Ok on the protests.

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[SkyPilot]

Imagine that: A dictator making orders that are so pathetic he already knows he can't enforce them.

Seems like a lot of the dictator/tyrant/governors are doing just fine in that department.

North Carolina:

North Carolina Business Cited For Mask Violations

Alabama:

Health officials cite some Madison County businesses for mask violations

Nevada:

Clark County releases list of non complying businesses for mask mandate

Texas:

Austin council OKs fines of up to $2,000 for health violations

"The goal is not to issue fines. The goal is to gain compliance across the community,” Casar said."

Obviously.

Michigan:

Violation of Michigan mask order now a misdemeanor subject to $500 fine

Even the THREAT to our liberty and rights, as a gun to the head, is wrong. And we are letting them get away with it.

I am glad for the one case in Kentucky you cited. Nope, didn't hear of it, and yes, I was alive.

But why wait for the snail courts? The DOJ memo I sent to you said they were supposed to be "on the lookout" for violations to Constitutional rights.

Hello?

And their own memo said they could act through the Asst Attorney General for Civil Rights.

Do you think Obama, Holder, and Lynch would have stood still if their side were attacked by Conservative governor's "Executive Orders"?

[SkyPilot]

Except for BLM. A-Ok on the protests.

Yup. Even more than "A-Ok" - they are applauded for violating the orders that everyone else better comply with, or else.

[Alberta's Child]

There's something you should know about how Federal cases work -- especially with regard to the DOJ's involvement:

1. These legal challenges under U.S. constitutional matters generally fall into two categories: (A) constitutional issues that must be rectified immediately, and (B) those that involve a ruling that may come months or years later.

2. Most Federal court cases fall into Group (B). However, plaintiffs will often seek a temporary injunction under (A) while pursuing the case under (B).

3. What distinguishes (A) and (B) is similar to what you'd see in various states as a chancery court matter vs. a normal civil court matter. A civil court matter involves anything where monetary relief for damages is sought by the plaintiff. If you get hit by a car and sue for damages, your case can take years to go to trial because you're only looking for financial compensation. If your neighbor has a pet tiger that is kept outside a cage and roams around the neighborhood, that would be grounds for immediate non-monetary relief (e.g., the tiger is removed from the premises by an animal control officer) through a chancery court because the tiger presents a potential danger to others that cannot be compensated by a financial award later.

4. I've been involved in court cases where both types of remedies were being sought. The cases you cite involving mask rules and monetary fines by oppressive government restrictions almost certainly fall into Group (B). This means that the plaintiffs may eventually win the case, and the DOJ may get involved when the matter actually goes to trial, but it is highly unlikely that any of these cases will result in a temporary injunction from a judge while the matter is being fought in court.

5. The DOJ has been involved in a number of these cases where the plaintiffs were churches or other religious groups. That's because religious freedom cases are pretty much assumed to fall into Group (A) by definition.

[SkyPilot]

Thanks for the explanation.

It doesn't make me more hopeful though. In fact, it makes me less.

[Alberta's Child]

It only makes me "less hopeful" in a sense that the vast majority of the plaintiffs in these cases don't have any interest in spending tens of thousands of dollars (or more) in legal fees to pursue Federal court cases over silly fines of $250, $500, etc. There are much easier ways to deal with that bullsh!t instead of waiting on Federal courts to fix the problem.

On the other hand, the cases involving religious organizations are almost certainly going to play out in Federal courts because they involve critical matters of principle. If anything, the cases will likely go away because more and more state and local governments will back away from their restrictions once they are on the losing end of the preliminary cases where a Federal judge issues an injunction. This is exactly what happened in Kentucky. The Federal judge issued an emergency injunction on Holy Saturday -- to allow Easter Sunday church services to proceed the following day, and indefinitely after that -- while the matter was further litigated in Federal court. At that point the government officials who imposed the restrictions knew damn well they were likely to lose the case when it eventually came to trial. I'm pretty sure the matter was dropped because the government officials in Kentucky weren't interested in fighting it anymore.