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1 posted on 07/21/2020 1:49:42 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Probable =/= confirmed.


2 posted on 07/21/2020 1:52:01 PM PDT by Morpheus2009 (If you want me to be afraid, then be consistent in your logic, standards, and your lies!)
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Gotta inflate those covid numbers so the MSM has something to attack President Trump with.


3 posted on 07/21/2020 1:53:15 PM PDT by EvilCapitalist (Fire Fauci)
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At least 22 States report Fraudulent COVID Numbers

That is the real headline!!


4 posted on 07/21/2020 1:54:40 PM PDT by eyeamok
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Also, different states started reporting such cases at different times, making data comparisons with earlier periods difficult.

At least one major county in NYS started adding antibody positives to the New Daily Count. That's about 100 "cases" a day making it look like past infections are happening currently.

And Worldometer gladly reports it like they report i for many other locations.

Worldometer also adds probables to the daily totals in NYS. Cuomo reports one number. Worldometer jacks that number up with probables.

5 posted on 07/21/2020 2:05:57 PM PDT by FreeReign
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Scary-sounding surges and spikes in “probable,” i.e., not verified, virus cases and deaths.


7 posted on 07/21/2020 2:17:13 PM PDT by Socon-Econ (adical Islam,)
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CV19 conquered Nov. 4.
If the election goes as planned.


8 posted on 07/21/2020 2:20:54 PM PDT by Vinnie
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gotta keep that fake panic going or President Trump might get re-elected ...


9 posted on 07/21/2020 2:21:40 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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Isn’t this how they count “flu” cases, which are lumped together with pneumonia cases, & the media pushes the fake total every year?


10 posted on 07/21/2020 2:21:50 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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Make the states pay the feds for every new case and watch the numbers drop.


12 posted on 07/21/2020 2:31:18 PM PDT by GreyHoundSailor
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This is why the entire Covid analysis thingy is a disaster. Buntcha dopes and crooks doing the counting. Hospitals inflate the numbers to get more $$$ from the Feds.


13 posted on 07/21/2020 2:35:16 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isnÂ’t common anymore.)
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Vital Statistics Reference Guidance 03, April 2020(CDC)

See Attachment

Cause-of-Death Reporting
When reporting cause of death on a death certificate, use any
information available, such as medical history, medical records,
laboratory tests, an autopsy report, or other sources of relevant
information. Similar to many other diagnoses, a cause-of-death
statement is an informed medical opinion that should be based
on sound medical judgment drawn from clinical training and
experience, as well as knowledge of current disease states and
local trends (6).

Part I
This section on the death certificate is for reporting the sequence
of conditions that led directly to death. The immediate cause of
death, which is the disease or condition that directly preceded
death and is not necessarily the underlying cause of death
(UCOD), should be reported on line a. The conditions that led
to the immediate cause of death should be reported in a logical
sequence in terms of time and etiology below it.

The UCOD, which is “(a) the disease or injury which initiated
the train of morbid events leading directly to death or (b) the
circumstances of the accident or violence which produced the
fatal injury” (7), should be reported on the lowest line used in
Part I.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

17 posted on 07/21/2020 2:40:20 PM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

Page 3

INTENDED USE

Positive results are indicative of active infection with
2019-nCoV but do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses. The agent detected
may not be the definite cause of disease. Laboratories within the United States and its territories are
required to report all positive results to the appropriate public health authorities.

Negative results do not preclude 2019-nCoV infection and should not be used as the sole basis for treatment or other patient management decisions.”

Translation: A positive test doesn’t guarantee that the COVID virus is causing infection at all. Then again, maybe the COVID virus isAC not be in the patient’s body either.

https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/download

19 posted on 07/21/2020 2:41:49 PM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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From the World Health Organization (WHO): “Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) technical guidance: Laboratory testing for 2019-nCoV in humans” https://bit.ly/3cidWiS

“Several assays that detect the 2019-nCoV have been and are currently under development, both in-house and commercially. Some assays may detect only the novel virus [COVID] and some may also detect other strains (e.g. SARS-CoV) that are genetically similar.”

Translation: Some PCR tests register positive for types of coronavirus that have nothing to do with COVID—including plain old coronas that cause nothing more than a cold.

20 posted on 07/21/2020 2:42:37 PM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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Two things counter that narrative. First the provisional deaths have dropped in the most recent data: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm There are now 87,147 excess deaths since Feb 1. Just multiply total deaths by 0.06 since deaths are 106% of expected. Just a few days ago it was 108% and 113k excess deaths. Note that data is provisional because there are deaths that aren't reported yet. It takes two weeks up to eight weeks or more to get the full data.

Second therei is data that includes an estimate to fill in for the missing data (light blue bars): https://public.tableau.com/profile/dataviz8737#!/vizhome/COVID_excess_mort_withcauses_07152020/WithAndWithoutWeighting which shows a drop below expected deaths. Even with ordinary deaths misreported as COVID, there are fewer deaths overall. There's simply no way they can cover up that drop in the near future no matter how much misreporting they do about the cause of death.

21 posted on 07/21/2020 2:43:30 PM PDT by palmer (Democracy Dies Six Ways from Sunday)
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As far as the “assays that detect the 2019-nCOV that are currently under development. Yeah, just a few.

For a test that is supposed to be so definitive and accurate, there sure are a great many firms in development of testing for the diagnosis of COVID-19

Actually, 750(it was 746 yesterday) of them the diagnostic pipeline at the time of this post as a matter of fact. https://bit.ly/3clw4Za

If the testing on this is so definitive, why are 746 companies still developing testing for it?

Possibly because they still have not effectively isolated the virus and still don’t know what exactly it is that they are looking for.

Or could it be that it is extremely difficult to detect this SARS-CoV-2 virus because it is easily defeated by the immune system? (Note: SARS-CoV-2 virus. Hmmm…thought this was something so novel we have not seen it before? When then is it so similar to the SARS virus that it is called SARS-CoV-2 then? That would indicate that it is similar in nature to a virus we are well aware of so similar to a known virus that it is labeled as -2.

Gee, maybe not so novel after all huh? No more novel than any other mutated SARS virus which is quite common with RNA viruses like this SARS-CoV-2 virus btw. All RNA viruses mutate regularly which is why these virus vaccines are so ineffective, their target changes so quickly.

Or possibly that it is so immensely difficult to test an individual for a specific virus when the samples are always contaminated with all kinds of germs including bacteria, other viral strains and other DNA/RNA bearing tissues?

22 posted on 07/21/2020 2:44:01 PM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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But what do the manufacturers say about the COVID diagnostic test? How about this gem from Creative Diagnostics, a popular test manufacturer:

This product is intended for the detection of 2019-Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV). The detection result of this product is only for clinical reference, and it should not be used as the only evidence for clinical diagnosis and treatment. https://bit.ly/2KnJ4kP

In other words: Don’t use the test result alone to diagnose infection or disease.

Pretty confident about their testing huh?

Perhaps that is why the CDC includes “probable cases” in their statistical counts:

What is a COVID-19 probable case?

A probable case or death is defined by

Meeting clinical criteria AND epidemiologic evidence with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19; or

Meeting presumptive laboratory evidence AND either clinical criteria OR epidemiologic evidence; or Meeting vital records criteria with no confirmatory laboratory testing performed for COVID-19. https://bit.ly/3bdziMV

Translation: You don’t even have to have “confirmatory laboratory testing performed” in order for the case to be considered a COVID-19 case.

I guess that could be helpful to the hospitals who have had their cash cows of elective surgery eliminated (80% of many hospitals incomes) and are losing money now.

They could just drop a medicare patient into the “probable COVID-19 category” and go from a standard Medicare admit of $4,600 to a COVID admit billable for $13,000 now. About a 3X billable increase.

And heck, if they can get them on a ventilator with a COVID diagnosis, the Medicare admit jumps to $39,000, over an 8-fold increase!

I guess its a conspiracy theory to imagine that hospitals losing money due to the contraction of their scheduled surgery income would begin to amazingly turn up more COVID cases and put some of these people with respiratory issues on ventilators as well.

Yeah…might not have anything to do with increasing revenues I guess since we know that ALL hospitals and doctors operate with full integrity and complete concern for ALL patients.

Uh, interested in a bridge in Brooklyn real cheap?

But hey, it’s all just b.s. right doc?

23 posted on 07/21/2020 2:45:23 PM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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How hard is it to just create a 3rd column? Positive, Probable, Negative?


25 posted on 07/21/2020 3:34:19 PM PDT by monkeyshine (live and let live is dead)
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Yep... It’s all about money... The taxpayers stolen or misappropriated money...


26 posted on 07/21/2020 3:34:39 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is Sam Adams now that we desperately need him)
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I didn’t see TN mentioned but they count probable cases and deaths, though listed separately, in their daily totals.

They started counting them in May but didn’t start openly listing them separately on the health dept.’s site until June 12. Up til that point, you had to dig into their datasets to see it.


29 posted on 07/21/2020 3:39:15 PM PDT by radu (God bless our military men and women, past and present)
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From the article: “None of the four most populous states (California, Texas, Florida, and New York) immediately responded to The Epoch Times’ inquiries.”

Gee, those are the current “hot spots”! What a coincidence!


30 posted on 07/21/2020 4:45:59 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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