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California Lawmakers Want a Wealth Tax to Soak the Rich for Living There. Also, for Leaving. The proposed tax would apply to not just wealthy residents, but anyone who is wealthy who has lived in the state for the last 10 years
Reason ^ | August 18, 2020 | Scott Shackford

Posted on 08/18/2020 3:23:00 PM PDT by karpov

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To: MuttTheHoople

You know, that is the definition of “irony” (a most misunderstood word”). I doubt that Don Henley and Glenn Frey meant it anywhere near where you mean it, but, it doesn’t make it any less true.


21 posted on 08/18/2020 3:37:44 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: karpov

I’m surprised California hasn’t started withholding taxes from all California public pensions. Force people out-of-state to file in California. Assuming this is considered illegal (I question whether public pensions are as immune as private pension), just lower the amount for any pension not being paid within the state.


22 posted on 08/18/2020 3:37:47 PM PDT by CatOwner
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To: karpov

Would this wealth tax apply equally? What I mean is, would Nancy Pelosi pay the tax too?


23 posted on 08/18/2020 3:39:41 PM PDT by EvilCapitalist (Fire Fauci)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
AND, it piles on from there. In order to calculate this "fair" tax, the state would require some independent verification of the amount of "wealth" each person has.

So along with the current documents each person gets in the mail today for the calculation of income, each person would also have to get documents showing how much your real estate is worth, how much your vehicles are worth, household possessions, gold and silver, and the list goes on. Because the determination of wealth would require a definition of wealth, and rules for calculation.

And each piece of paper would require rules to provide for determination of the value or worth. The paperwork increase would be enormous, and the complexity of state (and local) tax returns can only increase.

24 posted on 08/18/2020 3:39:46 PM PDT by Bernard (If I knew then what I know now, I probably would not have believed it anyway.)
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To: karpov

All good people should leave California and conquer Oregon.


25 posted on 08/18/2020 3:40:18 PM PDT by Arcadian Empire
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To: Soul of the South

Imagine your net worth is $100 million (of items subject to the tax).

.4% is a tax of $400,000 a year. Each year.

Spend the first $100K hiring the best tax attorney you can find.

CA will never see a penny when the tax attorney is finished their work, because their will be loopholes.

If the tax attorney determines there are no loopholes, then they will send you a very brief note: “Get the f&^% out of CA and hide your assets from them.”


26 posted on 08/18/2020 3:40:55 PM PDT by cgbg (Masters don't want slaves talking about masters and slaves.)
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To: karpov

I remember all the Hollywood types saying “the rich should pay a little bit more” and then the SALT limits were enacted and they went crazy .... just a little bit more hypocrites, just a little bit more.....


27 posted on 08/18/2020 3:45:17 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Slow Joe Biden is the Bolshevik sock puppet.)
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To: karpov

taxing assets out of the state will be declared illegal, no doubt

CA has tried this before with retirement pensions of people that worked in CA then retired elsewhere. It was shot down.

Ridiculous fascists


28 posted on 08/18/2020 3:46:05 PM PDT by CottonBall (A Republican's power comes from your prosperity. A Democrat's power comes from your poverty.f)
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To: karpov

Not sure how they would enforce taxing people who no longer live or own property there.


29 posted on 08/18/2020 3:46:24 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Let’s suppose I own stock valued at the taxable level. To pay the tax I have to sell stock. Let’s say the value of my stocks then drop to below the taxable level. Do I get my taxes back? I may be worth thirty million, but I don’t have thirty million in cash. I am only potentially worth thirty million if I sell all of my assets. Some people may even be unable to sell their assets because of legal restrictions. So, I’m “worth” the money, but I can’t legally get the money.

This idea is a non-starter. I am amazed that lawmakers so frequently do not understand the law...or economics...or what governance is supposed to do. How do we keep electing idiots?


30 posted on 08/18/2020 3:46:53 PM PDT by Gen.Blather (Wait! I said that out loud?)
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To: karpov

“...$30 million, which Bonta estimates will affect fewer than 31,000 Californians.”


And this is how they’ll sell it. Only 31,000 fat cats will be affected. They could put it up to a statewide vote and it would pass easily. “Don’t tax you, don’t tax me, tax that fellow behind the tree”.

As has been pointed out, the tax rate will be increased and the threshold will be lowered. Attempting to hide assets from the Franchise Tax board will be felony, of course.

For those who don’t remember, the Franchise Tax Board came up with the novel idea, that if you earned a pension in California and moved to another state, you owed California state taxes on the pension. That was eventually struck down.


31 posted on 08/18/2020 3:48:44 PM PDT by hanamizu
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To: karpov

When I donate my assets to a charity I control (like Bill Gates’ Foundation), I get a refund on my taxes and leave with my money too.


32 posted on 08/18/2020 3:51:21 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: rintintin

Well, I’m a native Californian and I still live here.

I sure as hell am NOT a millionaire, I’m not even a hundred thousand aire.

Do you really think that those BASTARDS in SACRAFREAKO are going to limit this tax to millionaires?

I get about 40k a year on my retirement, they will come for me very quickly.

Remember about 70% of the people in Ca. are either WETBACKS or WELFARE QUEENS and KINGS, they don’t pay any taxes at all.

THEY JUST TAKE!


33 posted on 08/18/2020 3:53:16 PM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: karpov

How long before Kalifornia demands money from people who never set foot in that state?


34 posted on 08/18/2020 3:54:28 PM PDT by Fresh Wind (China kills over 750,000 and the sheeple sleep. Cops kill one person, and cities burn.)
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To: karpov

California tried taxing the retirement income of persons who no longer lived in the state. They lost the court case challenging this law. I remember this well because I had a job offer in California. This was in the mid-90s.


35 posted on 08/18/2020 3:55:26 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (A Man Hears What He Wants to Hear and Disregards the Rest)
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To: hanamizu

That was aimed at all the people who spent a portion of their military career at CA bases, and then retired elsewhere. The goons at the tax board wanted their share.


36 posted on 08/18/2020 3:56:29 PM PDT by GreyHoundSailor
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To: dp0622

True.


37 posted on 08/18/2020 3:58:02 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: karpov

What message is Newsome sending to affluent Californians - run like hell and fight your ass off in court. Anything you spend in legal fees would have been lost in taxes anyway.


38 posted on 08/18/2020 3:59:12 PM PDT by circlecity
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To: 5th MEB

I’m not going to stand up to defend the mega wealthy. They don’t defend me. They attack me. The mega wealthy are disproportionately Democrat.


39 posted on 08/18/2020 3:59:26 PM PDT by rintintin (qu)
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To: karpov

I’m ALL FOR IT!!! Most of the wealthy there vote for and finance the Democrats. If they don’t like it, perhaps they consider growing up before coming to people like me to help them out.


40 posted on 08/18/2020 4:02:21 PM PDT by BobL (I shop at Walmart and eat at McDonald's, I just don't tell anyone, like most here)
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