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Florida county under state of emergency as reservoir with millions of gallons of "contaminated, radioactive wastewater" could collapse "at any time"
CBS ^ | 4-3-21 | LI COHEN

Posted on 04/03/2021 6:04:52 PM PDT by dynachrome

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To: fireman15

Oddly enough despite the common perception that the EPA has helped perpetuate that low levels of radiation cause cancer is contradicted by pretty much every study ever done on people who live with higher than normal radiation background levels.


Yes.
Radioactive safety is the victim of “extrapolation at infinitesimal”.
From the Hiroshima studies, a fit line was created to correlate radiation dosage to cancer. That was done using extreme levels of radiation. Extrapolating this line, one gets some cancer risk even for infinitesimally small doses of radiation. However that’s proven wrong many times.
It seems that human body needs some level of radioactivity to function properly. Places with very low level of natural radioactivity have high instances of cancer, while the ones with high level are a lot healthier.
Ramsar, Iran has the highest level of natural radioactivity on the Earth. About 10x what the “scientists” consider safe. About as much as worst places in Chernobyl right now. Yet, it is famous (on Iranian scale) spa with very low instances of cancer!
Apparently we need some radiation!
Earth used to have a lot more radiation during the dinosaur era, and they were OK.
Actually we are constantly loosing some radiation and we will never get it back!


41 posted on 04/03/2021 7:46:02 PM PDT by AZJeep (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0AHQkryIIs)
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To: chickenlips

good article. tks for posting.


42 posted on 04/03/2021 7:46:13 PM PDT by nicollo (I said no!)
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To: miserare

HOW DARE YOU !!!!


43 posted on 04/03/2021 8:03:17 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: AZJeep

Slow decay of natural sources of radiation is being blamed for reduction of natural volcanism, ice ages and the lack of CO2 in atmosphere.
Volcanos are powered by the radioactive decay, and they are the major source of CO2 on the Earth. As we are, slowly, running out of radioactive materials, Earth is cooling down, volcanic activities are diminishing and so is CO2 in the atmosphere. CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is about 5x less now than in the dinosaur era.


44 posted on 04/03/2021 8:17:36 PM PDT by AZJeep (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0AHQkryIIs)
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To: kiryandil
Generation IV plants are safer than safe.

New and improved! Now hiring government school educated affirmative action small brained women, minorities, H1B visa holders, mentally disturbed transgenders, socialists, and ex-cons. Cooling pond and onsite waste storage security staff are now provided Muslim foot baths and prayer rooms. Obedient Japanese engineers trained to operate old white man technologies are now forbidden.

How about first finding a non-Chinese run dump for the pre-existing onsite radioactive waste?


45 posted on 04/03/2021 8:23:47 PM PDT by Reeses (A journey of a thousand miles begins with a government pat down.)
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To: White Lives Matter
The contaminated water will surely kill Manatees swimming nearby. Bad news.

Maybe it will just cause them to grow exponentially. Oh, the huge manatee.

46 posted on 04/03/2021 8:27:08 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (The greatest threat to world freedom is the Chinese Communist Party and Joe Biden is their puppet.)
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To: Rebelbase

I think a lot of the fluoride from phosphate mining goes into our drinking water. Cheapest way to get rid of it.


47 posted on 04/03/2021 8:47:14 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: dynachrome

Acidity is the real environmental from phosphate retention ponds.

The radioactive businesses is primarily sensationalism.


48 posted on 04/03/2021 8:57:25 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there..)
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To: AZJeep
From the Hiroshima studies, a fit line was created to correlate radiation dosage to cancer. That was done using extreme levels of radiation. Extrapolating this line, one gets some cancer risk even for infinitesimally small doses of radiation. However that's proven wrong many times.

I was one of those in charge of a “big city” hazmat team for quite a few years. It was my job to evaluate the risks to my crews and the public from various situations that we encountered and also help plan for possible challenges in the future.

If the past year has taught us anything... it has illustrated how shockingly poor the public, politicians, bureaucrats and the media are at calculating any type of meaningful risk assessment. All the media has to do is throw around a few triggering words like radiation, acid, toxins, etc... and they can manipulate the public and politicians into an artificial panic for fun and profit.

Containers made to hold "hazardous materials" often fail and persons such as myself are called on to evaluate what the likely consequences will be, and what actions shoud be taken to stabilize the situation. It is just a fact of life in modern society.

49 posted on 04/03/2021 9:22:49 PM PDT by fireman15
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To: miserare

This is a real problem. I don’t think Greta does real problems.


50 posted on 04/03/2021 9:36:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (Will the Younger Dryas Impact you? )
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To: dynachrome

That’s funny ! I used to swim with them and gators 🐊 in the suwanee and Santa Fe rivers back in the 90s. The springs there ( ichetucknee etc ) are AMAZING


51 posted on 04/03/2021 9:45:49 PM PDT by Truthoverpower (Fraud !!! Now we’re off the TRUMP TRAIN and on the Swamp express to communist hell !! TRUTH! )
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To: Does so
The rocks mined for phosphates also contain some U, Th and Ra and are thus mildly radioactive. Take out the phosphates and what's left is a bit more radioactive. The radiation was already there in the rock being mined, but after mining and processing the residual radioactives can some be blamed on a human company which lawyers can sue over it. So they piled it away is vast stacks since lefties weren't letting the waste be used in construction projects as in most countries.

An even better option would be to further harvest the original rocks for other items of value. It turns out what we're putting in stacks annually contains nearly as much rare earth elements as is currently being mined in the world. Mostly by Chinese monopolists. That could be extracted and sold for a lot by the phosphate mining firms.. Some U would be extracted, which could also be sold. But there also would be a bunch of Th collected and concentrated by any such process, which they can't sell and for which they'd be liable for eternal storage costs as radioactive 'waste.' Thorium based nuclear reactors have been proposed as a solution to the waste 'problem.' But haven't yet overcome the 'liberal' problem to reach fruition.

52 posted on 04/03/2021 10:32:10 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer
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To: dfwgator

Both then.


53 posted on 04/03/2021 11:24:12 PM PDT by Lockbar (Vlad the Impailer had all the answers.)
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To: Flash Bazbeaux

Everything is radioactive. Coal ash is radioactive. Cement is radioactive.


Bananas are radioactive. People are radioactive. Vegans are radioactive.


54 posted on 04/03/2021 11:26:08 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: dynachrome

A lot of to-do over nothing...
The manatees and other animals will not be overly affected...
The plant life will marginally suffer..

This is just another fake-news distraction by our communist rulers...
MSM doing its job...
Peasants mumbling as usual and looking the wrong way...
Dance like a butterfly, sting like a bee...


55 posted on 04/04/2021 12:10:07 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another John Brown now that we desperately need him?)
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To: dynachrome

What’s Florida man been eating that his waste is radioactive?


56 posted on 04/04/2021 1:18:21 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Fzob

Li Cohen is a dishonest “reporter”. Phosphogypsum is NOT naturally radioactive. It absorbs low levels of naturally occurring radioactivity/materials in its environment including Thoriuam and Uranium (known to us as background radiation, esp. from granite and other igneous rocks).

A good article at Wikipedia “Phosphogypsum” says that the processed remains of the phosphate made into fertilizer is stored the way it is was because it had “weak radioactivity”.

Also Uranium is found in seawater due to the natural deterioration of rock (aka background radiation).

The mentioned “Center for Biological Diversity” is a hardcore leftist, extremely well (foundation) funded leftist group (out of California as I recall). They are the twin of the far-left Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) and not to be trusted.

“social justice” issues writer Li Cohen is a hack journalist and budding Marxist propagandist.

Spread the word: She’s a poisonous fake journalist.


57 posted on 04/04/2021 1:25:02 AM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: AZJeep

That radiation decline, and the cooling, too, are both negative exponential functions. Which means that by now they are VERY slow declines. Unless there was a trip point of some sort of the internal Earth cooling, something else started the rather sudden and wildly cyclical period of glaciation cycles (Ice Age) we are now in (for roughly the last 40 million years.)

What the beginning of our Ice Age DOES correspond to is movement of continental plates and associated events, most prominent of which has been India crashing into Asia, forming the Himalayas (etc.), which are a giant CO2 sink. The formation of the Isthmus of Panama, changes in ocean currents, solar radiation, vulcanism, etc., also get into the act.

Now, as an aside, and sure to irritate many FReepers, volcanoes for one thing are mainly a source of cooling actors: They emit considerably more SO2 than CO2, and then (shorter term) there are particulates belched high into the atmosphere by the big violent eruptions. (Tambora, for example.) The irritating part is that if one actually goes back to their high school chemistry, checks long held estimates of volcanic emissions over past decades, looks up consumption worldwide of fossil fuels, and does a little math and chemistry, they will find that humans are actually responsible for more CO2 production than volcanoes have been, both during recent decades.

Don’t believe me? Get out a piece of notebook paper or an envelope and run the math and chemistry yourself. Even with the above caveat about SO2 vs. CO2, volcanoes ARE prodigious producers of CO2. But humans are considerably more prodigious in our population. Few people actually comprehend how many of us 7.8 billion is.

I’m not saying some added CO2 is a bad thing: There is some reason to believe we have delayed our next period of glaciation. (Uncertain, as solar radiation “should” be a bigger driver.) I’m ok with a little warmth (and more so as I get older.) Humans REALLY don’t want to go through the next period of glaciation, if it is anything like the last few. They are cold, and, dry. The last such spell very nearly killed off humans.


58 posted on 04/04/2021 5:04:00 AM PDT by Paul R. (You know your pullets are dumb if they don't recognize a half Whopper as food!)
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To: fireman15

Yes.
Lot of hazardous materials are really not that hazardous.
Lot of it is media hype. Plus, the people who know are often safeguarding to ridiculous levels, just to be covered from lawsuits.
We are overprotected.


59 posted on 04/04/2021 5:10:50 AM PDT by AZJeep (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0AHQkryIIs)
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To: fireman15; dynachrome; vis a vis; Mariner; tbpiper
The primary immediate concern has been the absolute volume of water inundation should the dike collapse. Original volume was around 600 million gallons of water. Models suggested a sudden collapse would result in an initial 20 ft. surge of water. The gyp stack is, by far, the highest elevation in the area.

It is reported the pond/lake which is actively leaking supports fish wildlife, including snook. The water is primarily salt water, pH around 5.5. This gyp stack pond was also the recipient of dredging material from berth 12 at the nearby port about ten years ago.

Additional concern revolves around the integrity of adjacent gyp stack ponds, which are considered significantly more toxic (ie unable to sustain life). The concern specifically relates to whether the walls of the adjacent ponds would also collapse with a sudden collapse of the breached pond.

60 posted on 04/04/2021 4:58:41 PM PDT by NautiNurse (It took 20 years for FL to clean up voter fraud in Broward and Palm Beach Counties. But we did it. )
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