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Horrific loss of life.

The article only said he had been relieved of command.

Can he face criminal charges?

1 posted on 06/10/2021 9:23:52 AM PDT by PROCON
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To: PROCON

Our Military is suffering from people like this.


2 posted on 06/10/2021 9:25:28 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....... The HUMAN Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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>>Can he face criminal charges?

Do you really want to go down the path of putting people in prison after every accident? Any accident it could be argued could have been avoided with more or better training - but that is not always the case.

If I kill someone in a car accident, should we lock up my driver’s ed instructor from 40 years ago?

I’ll admit, I don’t know the details of the particular (sad) case, but don’t want to start locking up folks for ‘accidents’; accidents will always happen, especially when training for war.

If I remember correctly, something like 15000 USAF young men were killed just in training during the WW2 buildup.


3 posted on 06/10/2021 9:30:47 AM PDT by qwerty1234
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Interesting, it was Mad Dog Mattis who nominated this guy for major general.


5 posted on 06/10/2021 9:32:26 AM PDT by circlecity
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“Can he face criminal charges?”

I doubt it. As a major general he wouldn’t be monitoring the day to day training of these soldiers. I imagine it’s more of a “the buck stops here” situation. As top dog it was his responsibility to insure competent trainers were in place to adequately train these soldiers and insure this was continuing to take place.

6 posted on 06/10/2021 9:37:15 AM PDT by circlecity
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Deeper into the article is a detailed description of the accident.


7 posted on 06/10/2021 9:42:56 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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There are a lot more to blame than the General, his firing just stops the bleeding.


10 posted on 06/10/2021 9:44:32 AM PDT by Rappini (Compromise has its place. It's called second.)
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There are a lot more to blame than the General, his firing just stops the bleeding.


11 posted on 06/10/2021 9:44:44 AM PDT by Rappini (Compromise has its place. It's called second.)
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Read up on this incident.

This was a matter of a group of Marines remaining in an LVTP-7 for approximately thirty minutes while it slowly filled up with water.

The only lack of leadership was that an NCO on scene didn't tell them all to leave their gear and get out of a sinking craft.

12 posted on 06/10/2021 9:45:21 AM PDT by Captain Walker ("Every high civilization decays by forgetting obvious things." - G. K. Chesterton)
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What happens when they spend all their time in CRT and LGBTQ training. Need Curtis LeMay resurrected.


14 posted on 06/10/2021 9:48:13 AM PDT by Chauncey Gardiner
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Can he face criminal charges?,

It is possible. The article says the Commandant “took adverse administration action against him.” The could range from a letter of reprimand all the way to a general courts martial.

Most likely it was an Article 15 which is nonjudicial punishment. That can involve loss of rank and/or loss of pay.

No matter what, it IS a career ender.

17 posted on 06/10/2021 9:51:46 AM PDT by pfflier
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I remember seeing a news story from the 1980s were a Marine DI on Paris Island marched his recruits into a swamp with full packs. Four or five drowned if I recall the story correctly.


18 posted on 06/10/2021 9:52:49 AM PDT by 4yearlurker ("My brain has a mind of it's own!"-what my 8 year old granddaughter told me.)
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Don’t be too hard on this guy. It can happen to any senior officer in a command position when he is forced to take responsibility for anything that happen in his command.

My nephew is a commander in a Navy destroyer squadron. He says that a mistake by even the lowest level seaman can screw up your career.


21 posted on 06/10/2021 10:01:55 AM PDT by pelican001
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"Can he face criminal charges?"

Did he take an action that caused the deaths? Unless he undertook an action or gave an order that was likely to cause those deaths, it would be more proper, for example, to imprison tailgaters in vehicle traffic for manslaughter for causing deaths. If some inaction on his part caused the deaths, then no.

26 posted on 06/10/2021 10:07:50 AM PDT by familyop
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I am guessing he made sure the Marines and Sailors were all getting their Diversity Training.

It’s clear he’s a ‘Shit for Brains’ action-approved person by the Obama cretin.

(Raging, at my keyboard, under my breath)


44 posted on 06/10/2021 10:45:15 AM PDT by Notthereyet (We're so angry we can spit pea pellets at a tree and drill the dang tree. )
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The biggest mistake was not having adequate rescue vehicles available on site. The fact that a decades old Amphibious vehicle was not 100% is not unheard of. What is, is that a training mission would take place without proper safety protocols.
52 posted on 06/10/2021 11:26:08 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign! )
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here’s a detailed analysis.

https://youtu.be/UUJ168LrTd4


54 posted on 06/10/2021 11:38:59 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 deo duce ferro comitantes)
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I have interacted with Castellvi. As far as Marine generals go, Castellvi was ok.

The deaths happened under his watch, so he takes the blame. Commanders are responsible for culture.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Castellvi


66 posted on 06/10/2021 2:04:46 PM PDT by OwenKellogg (...if my people, who are called by my name...)
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I did not realize that amphibious assault vehicles were designed for open ocean work 65 miles offshore.

Guess so. Sort of.

From MCTP 3-10c “Employment of amphibious Assault Vehicles” PCN 147 000038 00 2018

“The AAV is the most seaworthy personnel landing
craft in military service. It is capable of operating
in calm to moderate seas. Depending on the
cargo load, the AAV can negotiate up to 10-feet
plunging surf and can self-right from a 180-degree
roll. Powered by two 21-inch water-jets, the AAV
has a maximum water speed of 8.2 miles per hour
and is capable of a waterborne range in excess of
45 miles in calm seas. Although relatively slow in
the water, the vehicle is capable of safe, long distance
water marches that are limited only by extremely rough seas and associated effects of motion sickness on embarked personnel.”

65 miles out in the Pacific still seems pretty sporty. These machines were first introduced in 1972! I only thought my stuff was old.


70 posted on 06/10/2021 10:14:19 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Politicians are only marginally good at one thing, being politicians. Otherwise they are fools.)
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