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Natural Immunity Versus Vaccine Immunity
Townhall.com ^ | November 9, 2021 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 11/09/2021 3:44:05 AM PST by Kaslin

You never know when something you say will go viral. It has happened a number of times in my career, the latest being comments I made on my national radio talk show a few weeks ago when I had COVID-19. I said that I had hoped I would attain natural immunity, since science -- evidenced, for example, in a major study from Israel, one of the most pro-vaccine and highly vaccinated societies in the world -- strongly suggests that natural immunity provides more robust and durable protection against COVID-19 than the current COVID-19 vaccines have proven to provide.

Specifically, I said that I had hugged and taken photos with thousands of people from the beginning of the pandemic. I had two reasons for doing this: 1) I decided very early on that I would not live my life in fear, but instead live normally; and 2) if I did get the virus I had confidence that the prophylactic therapeutics and nutrients I had been taking for more than a year -- ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, zinc, megadoses of vitamin D, vitamin C and selenium (and a monoclonal antibody infusion once I tested positive for COVID-19) -- would protect me from serious consequences. Most importantly, I repeatedly said from the beginning of 2020 that I chose to live normally, not hide in my house. As much as I want to live a long life, I have always believed that the purpose of life is to live fully, not necessarily long (though, of course, I want that too -- just not at the expense of normal living).

My COVID-19 symptoms consisted of chills for three days, a cough and fatigue for about a week and loss of taste for a day. I missed three days of radio but did not miss a speech (I flew from California to Florida to deliver a speech five days after testing negative).

From CNN to the Washington Post, I was mocked by much of the national mainstream media. Needless to say, not one of them bothered to interview me or invite me to respond either in writing or in person. That is how things now work in America: the media attack and mock those with whom they differ but offer no opportunity for the attacked party to respond. On the basis of a few sentences provided by a lie-based attack site (Media Matters), the Washington Post, for example, wrote an entire article on me and those comments. More on that in the next column.

Let's begin with my premise -- that natural immunity is more robust than a vaccine (or at least the vaccines we currently have). That is what a large study out of Israel -- one of the most pro-vaccine and highly vaccinated countries in the world -- reported.

On August 25, 2021, medRxiv published a "preprint" study by ten Israeli scientists, all associated with an Israeli research institute, Maccabitech, in Tel Aviv. Among the 10 are three MDs, three professors of epidemiology, two professors at the Tel Aviv University School of Public Health and an adjunct researcher at the Division of Cancer Epidemiology and Genetics at the National Institutes of Health in the United States. The study's conclusion: "This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity ..."

On August 26, 2021, Science, one of the world's most widely cited science magazines, published by the American Association for the Advancement of Science, published an article on the Israeli study. Its opening sentence reads: "The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study ..."

Martin Kulldorff, a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, confirmed the Israel study: "In Israel, vaccinated individuals had 27 times higher risk of symptomatic COVID infection compared to those with natural immunity from prior COVID disease ... "

A Cleveland clinic study came to the same conclusion. Published on June 5, 2021, also on medRxiv, it concluded that "Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination ... "

Even before the Israeli and Cleveland Clinic studies, a New York University study comparing vaccine immunity to natural immunity concluded that people who had had COVID-19 were better protected against the virus: "In COVID-19 patients, immune responses were characterized by a highly augmented interferon response which was largely absent in vaccine recipients."

A Rockefeller University study published on August 24, 2021, concluded, as the Israel study did, that "a natural infection may induce maturation of antibodies with broader activity than a vaccine does." The study immediately added that getting natural immunity entails contracting COVID-19, and "a natural infection can also kill you." But that valid warning does not negate its conclusion in favor of natural immunity. Nor does the study warn that getting the vaccine may also induce harmful consequences. To its everlasting shame, that is a taboo subject in America's medical community despite the fact that the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) website of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention lists over 700,000 cases of suspected injury and more than 17,000 otherwise unexpected deaths temporally associated with COVID-19 vaccines.

Last week, the media reported that the CDC announced that vaccines provided greater immunity than natural immunity. But the way in which the CDC came to this conclusion is all but indecipherable, if not simply dishonest.

Here's how Dr. Peter Hotez, a pro-vaccine spokesman and co-director of the Center for Vaccine Development at Texas Children's Hospital, summarized the Kentucky study:

"The Centers for Disease Control in their 'MMWR' (Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report) published a very interesting study out of Kentucky comparing individuals who were infected and recovered and chose not to get vaccinated versus those who are infected and recovered and then got vaccinated in addition. And clearly, those who chose not to get vaccinated were reinfected at much higher rates, several times higher, than those who were infected and recovered and vaccinated."

Those comments are completely irrelevant to the issue at hand. The comparison I and others make is between natural immunity and vaccine immunity. The CDC-Kentucky study is not a comparison between natural immunity and vaccine immunity; it is a comparison between those who received a vaccine after natural immunity and those who did not receive a vaccine after attaining natural immunity.

NIH director Francis Collins also used the Kentucky study to avoid the question of COVID-recovered immunity versus vaccine immunity. On August 12, 2021, he said on Fox News: "There was a study published by CDC just ten days ago in Kentucky ... So, what was the protection level? It was more than two-fold better for the people who had had the vaccine in terms of protection than people who had had natural infection. That's very clear in that Kentucky study. You know that surprises people. Kind of surprised me that the vaccine would actually be better than natural infection ..."

This CDC report and deliberate conflation by Dr. Peter Hotez and NIH director Collins of two completely different groups -- COVID-recovered (with or without vaccine) and vaccinated who never had COVID-19 -- are among the many reasons so many Americans no longer trust the American medical establishment.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: immunity; liability; liable; natural; naturalimmunity; pandemic; vaccine; vaccinemandate; vaccines
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1 posted on 11/09/2021 3:44:05 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Well put, by Prager. Thanks for posting.


2 posted on 11/09/2021 3:50:40 AM PST by Chuzzlewit
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To: Kaslin

For later read


3 posted on 11/09/2021 3:52:24 AM PST by redgolum (If this is civilization, I will be the barbarian. )
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To: Kaslin
From across The Pond, but related...

SHOCK FIGURE More than 11,600 people DIED after ‘catching Covid in NHS hospitals after visiting due to other illnesses’

Deep States are firing refuseniks with likely far superior immunity.

But them CoupFlu has NEVER been about public health.

Anywhere on the planet.

4 posted on 11/09/2021 3:57:31 AM PST by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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To: Kaslin
My wife was "diagnosed" with the china flu last month. She was given a steroid and an antibiotic and told to self-isolate for a week.

She didn't do much isolating, especially with me and our son in the house (she did wear a mask - mostly). She had a deep cough and was tired a lot. That's all. My son and I never got sick, nor did we wear masks.

A few weeks ago, she got jab because of where she works. Now her hair is falling out in clumps.

5 posted on 11/09/2021 4:11:10 AM PST by jeffc (Let's Go Brandon!)
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To: mewzilla

Vaccinating Covid “survivors” has never been about Science.

It is probably bureaucrat Lawyers reasoning:

“since we can’t Ask about health history AND since our institutions (like Hospitals) are actually giving people Covid, Therefore If everyone is Vaccinated with a Drug that can’t be questioned/Sued, our legal obligations are fulfilled.

Vaccine mandates aren’t about Health or Science.


6 posted on 11/09/2021 4:12:12 AM PST by UNGN
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To: Kaslin

Francis Collins has a Clip where he repeats the UK study and says out loud Vaccination Immunity is BETTER than natural immunity.

He might even say its 2.5 times better,

Don’t believe your lying eyes with the Millions of “breakthrough cases”. Believe the guy the funded GOF studies on Coronavirus in Wuhan and never mentioned it ANY of his public interviews for 16 months

These people are monsters.


7 posted on 11/09/2021 4:19:29 AM PST by UNGN
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To: mewzilla

That is why my husband, our son and I are all on voluntary quarantine. No one comes in our house, and we don’t go anywhere. Our son does the grocery shopping and he wears a mask when he does. My husband is 84 and I turned 80 in
August. I wished my son would let me go with him when he goes shopping, but he says I’m not going to drag you around. I would be happy to sit in the car and wait for him. I am handicapped and have trouble walking. I have de generous disc disease, and de generous Hip joint disease and can only with a cane and that very slowly


8 posted on 11/09/2021 4:25:10 AM PST by Kaslin (Joe Biden,s aka president Milk Carton)
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To: Kaslin

I wish we could trust the stats.

We’d have a far better idea about whether or not this has burned though the population yet. And have a better idea on how long naturally acquired immunity might last.

Your son sounds like a wonderful man.

God bless the three of you. :-)


9 posted on 11/09/2021 4:31:24 AM PST by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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To: jeffc

The effect of COVID-19 on hair is something that has occurred to those in the church I pastor. We are a small church that probably 20 have gone through the virus. Only one has had the vaccine after the disease.
The virus ‘kills’ the hair roots and several weeks later hair falls out and then grows back. The men have not spoken of this too much but 6 women have including my wife.
Bullet points:
Covid-19 last spring
Beginning of summer noticeable hair loss
End of summer hair returning
(One in church, a retired vet who signed the Great Barrington Declaration, let us know that when the body is traumatized with sickness the hair follicles can die and then grow back.)


10 posted on 11/09/2021 4:33:50 AM PST by JCM
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To: jeffc

My boss and several of us all got Covid in January (close working conditions ; lots of flying in small planes and even shared mics and masks — not Covid masks but airplane).

No biggie. Had fever and slept a lot for a week. Lost sense of smell pretty solid — almost a month to truly recover smell.

Israel used to exempt the recovered from all shots. That changed (somewhat, may be reversed) recently. Anyway, boss took the shot.

He was hospitalized with myocarditis. Probably grounded for life.

The man is an ace fighter pilot and extreme fitness.

I was supposed to have to take the shot, but it looks like it’s on hold due to the contract being signed before October 15, 2021. So I might not have to quit.


11 posted on 11/09/2021 4:33:52 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Kaslin

It’s not a “vaccine”: it is a bioweapon.

Here’s a key interview with Dr. David Martin that’s less than 20 minutes long, starting at the 28:40 mark:

https://www.brighteon.com/7ecbaac2-c9db-47d8-b70e-06448f435869


12 posted on 11/09/2021 4:34:50 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Kaslin
I think of a vaccine like an origami artist that folds a piece of paper into something resembling a grasshopper and presents it to the immune system saying .. "This is what a grasshopper looks like.". Meanwhile, the traditional vaccine presents the body of a dead grasshopper and says ... "This is what a grasshopper looks like".

Which do you think would be most effective in teaching the immune system what to look for?

The workings of this mRNA vaccine may be clever, but I seriously doubt they are smart.

13 posted on 11/09/2021 4:36:14 AM PST by The Duke (Search for 'Sydney Ducks' and understand what is needed.)
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To: Kaslin

If we listened to and followed Scott Atlas, covid would be over because of herd immunity thru natural immunity.


14 posted on 11/09/2021 4:40:53 AM PST by bramps (It's the Islam, stupid!I )
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To: Kaslin

Waiting for the democrat/media/big pharma/Faux-xi cheerleaders on here to say the death serum is perfectly safe with 98% efficacy.


15 posted on 11/09/2021 4:47:34 AM PST by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: UNGN
Believe the guy the funded GOF studies on Coronavirus in Wuhan and never mentioned it ANY of his public interviews for 16 months

What really hurts is that this monster stood beside DJT during the covid press briefings for many of those months and didn't say a word that he was personally instrumental in the development of covid. He not only lied to Sen Paul but, more importantly, he lied to the American people! I would hope that he lives long enough to be charged, tried, convicted, and hung by the neck until dead after 2024 when sanity resumes.

16 posted on 11/09/2021 5:06:00 AM PST by eeriegeno (Checks and balances??? What checks and balances?)
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To: Kaslin

I maintained from the start that I’d rather be injected with the Corona virus
and trust my body to develop a natural immunity than to receive a concocted vaccine.

70 and doing fine.


17 posted on 11/09/2021 5:23:16 AM PST by kanawa ((Securing the 2022/2024 elections is of paramount importance.))
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To: jeffc
That must be like the chemo therapy people get when they have cancer. My late twin sister had lung cancer because she was a heavy smoker. She visited us one year and she lit up her first cigarette at 4:00 am. We had lots of fights.

I used to go to our Mall to walk. She could not walk as she felled very tired.

Eventually she was diagnosed with lung cancer by her doctor and was prescribed chemo therapy. She called me once and told me that her hair had fallen out and she was bald. By that time she had quit smoking for 5 years but unfortunately that was not enough. On March 2, 2002 my niece one of her daughters called me and told me that she had died

18 posted on 11/09/2021 5:30:57 AM PST by Kaslin (Joe Biden,s aka president Milk Carton)
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The Fauci Flu gave me a mild head cold for 2 days while everyone else got sick for almost 2 weeks. I don’t need no stinking experimental drug for that which I have a Natural Immunity to already.


19 posted on 11/09/2021 5:38:26 AM PST by eyeamok (founded in cynicism, wrapped in sarcasm)
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To: Kaslin

20 posted on 11/09/2021 5:58:16 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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