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My answer to to the notion of Trump voters dying in greater numbers for not being vaxxed would be to counter with the notion that they aren’t paying attention to the numbers of pro Dem black voters who also refused to be vaxxed in my neck of the woods and in other communities who have also succumbed to the disease, simply because they tend not to trust certain medical treatments created by white people.

We’ve seen many elderly to 30 year olds with diabetes, obesity and other co-morbidities pass away who were hispanic or black in greater proportions than unvaccinated whites (who also die too much of the time).

The Democrats have an elephant in the room that they will not address honestly....the antivaxxers in the minority populations amongst their own voting members.

Dowd spins quite the untrue yarn of a narrative. She hopes covid is killing off white republicans in greater numbers but she has no proof that it is doing so. I’m an ICU RN and I can say, at least for my neck of the woods who it is killing off. If a covid patient has reached the ICU, they have an 80 percent probability of dying. However most people sick with covid even if they came into hospital for a few days, will never get to the ICU. That actually is very good news for the populations at large. We have seen very few vaccinated reach our ICU and the ones that have got better. I know of a couple of cases who had been vaccinated but because of cancer and autoimmune issues, the vax was never going to work for them.

Most of our ICU dead have been unvaccinated and it still holding true today...at least in our neck of the woods. Also...we aren’t being inundated with covids waiting to die...we have open ICU beds! Now we have ER wait times right now that are long. Omicron has the usual numbers of hypochon’s crowding waiting rooms sure they are about to perish along with the usual, flus, streps, ect. The thing is the PCRs have gone away so many are waiting for the longer Lyra tests and many just get sent home if their symptoms aren’t bad.

Most will get better and won’t come back again or they follow up with their private doctors.

Our hospital is enforcing a stricter set of rules as to who comes to the ICU and some are admitted to hospital as ER holds(no medical or intermediate care beds available immediately so they get held in the ER) and get their hospital care there. Most will go home in a few days all better if they haven’t been moved to open beds “upstairs”.

So, our particular Med surge trauma ICU has been only 50 to 70 percent full and we transfer patients who don’t meet icu criteria fairly quickly. We have a trauma mission, so we need to keep a few beds open for gunshots and mva’s and head bleeds.

Staffing has been a big issue in the non-acute areas but my own unit is staffed a little better and we are all pretty dedicated to keeping things going and being supportive of each other. This is best ICU group I’ve worked with in 35 years of nursing.


110 posted on 01/05/2022 5:02:41 AM PST by mdmathis6 (Having the Conch shell is no longer recognized by Dem "Flies" as giving one authority to speak.)
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To: mdmathis6

Bless you


112 posted on 01/05/2022 5:07:02 AM PST by linMcHlp
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To: mdmathis6
"The Democrats have an elephant in the room that they will not address honestly....the antivaxxers in the minority populations amongst their own voting members."

True.

114 posted on 01/05/2022 6:28:32 AM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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To: mdmathis6
"Most of our ICU dead have been unvaccinated and it still holding true today."

Which is consistent with some other reports it seems, although aside from the ICU are reports such as the UK Health Security Agency confirms that 3 in every 4 Omicron cases admitted to hospital up to 29th December 2021 were people who had been vaccinated against Covid-19.

And while i do not deny some vaccine efficacy - if limited and rather rapidly decreasing over time*, there may also be an alternative explanation that may partly explain the higher morbidity among the unvaccinated, which is that such are those who are most likely to neglect their health and thus health care.

As regards race, as reported here, (https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-by-race-ethnicity, Dec 15, 2021) the CDC reports demographic characteristics, including race/ethnicity, of people receiving COVID-19 vaccinations at the national level, with race/ethnicity being known for 70% of people who had received at least one dose of the vaccine. And in which both Whites and Blacks up a smaller share of people who have received at least one dose compared to their share of the total population (58% to 61% and 10% to 12% respectively). In contrast, Hispanic people make up a larger share of vaccinated people (19%) and people who recently received a vaccination (23%) compared to their share of the total population (17%). However, among people age 65 and older, the shares of booster dose recipients who are Black and Hispanic are smaller than their shares of fully vaccinated people age 65 and older, while for Whites it is slightly higher than their share. The CDC is not publicly reporting state-level data on the racial/ethnic composition of people vaccinated, nor the race/ethnicity of people who have received at least one dose by age, limiting the ability to gain insight into vaccination patterns among children.

*Although overall effective against the Alpha variant, increasing reports testify to vaccination being far less effective against the Delta variant, with a study finding decreasing effectiveness of vaccination over time, with the Pfizer vaccine in preventing infection of the coronavirus declining to 53% after four months (and to 67% from 97% against other coronavirus variants), and efficacy against Delta dropping to 47% from 88% after six months after the second dose, [88] while from day 211 and onwards no effectiveness could be detected. [89] Also according to reported research, Modernas COVID-19 vaccine dropped to 58 percent in September from 89.2 percent effectiveness in March. “During the same time frame, Pfizers COVID-19 vaccine fell to 43.3 percent from 86.9 percent, and Johnson & Johnson’s shot declined to 13.1 percent from 86.4 percent. The WHO said (Nov. 24. 2021) that “Data suggest that before the arrival of the Delta variant, vaccines reduced transmission by about 60%. With Delta, that has dropped to about 40%, but that the vaccinated “have a much lower risk of severe disease and death.” [90] In addition, as regards the Omicron coronavirus variant, the effectiveness of two shots of Moderna against symptomatic disease dropped from 60 percent two to four weeks after inoculation to 45 percent, at 10 weeks, and the effectiveness of the Pfizer booster decreased to just 35 percent. A double-dosed with Pfizer plus a Moderna booster provided greater longer effectiveness. In Denmark as of December 15, 2021 79 percent of those infected with Omicron were fully vaccinated.

115 posted on 01/05/2022 7:40:35 AM PST by daniel1212 ( Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save + be baptized + follow Him!)
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