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To Knock Out Russian Tanks And Survive, Ukrainian Missileers Have Learned To Shoot And Scoot
Forbes ^ | Apr 2, 2022, 08:00am EDT | David Axe

Posted on 04/02/2022 9:17:02 PM PDT by Zhang Fei

To knock out Russian vehicles, Ukrainian teams lie in wait along roads — sometimes for days — before firing their missiles and sprinting away to their own vehicles for a quick escape.

That’s the basic tactic the Ukrainians have worked out as Russia’s wider war in Ukraine enters its sixth week. Ukrainian missileers packing foreign-supplied anti-tank guided missiles, such as the American Javelin, as well as locally made ATGMs such as the Stugna-P and Corsar, have plunked at the Russian invasion force, knocking out a vehicle here and a vehicle there until the losses have become unsustainable for the Kremlin.

The exact numbers are impossible to pin down, but Ukraine’s fast-moving ATGM teams undoubtedly have taken out hundreds of tanks and other vehicles. Missile ambushes probably account for a significant proportion of the roughly 2,200 major pieces of hardware that outside analysts can confirm Russia has lost since widening its war in Ukraine starting on the night of Feb. 23.

The laser-guided Stugna-P has proved particularly effective—a development that should surprise no one. At just $20,000 per set, the 71-pound, three-person weapon is cheaper than the $178,000-per-system Javelin. It’s made in Ukraine and paid for in local currency, so the Ukrainian army has been able to acquire thousands of them — reportedly 2,500 in 2018 alone.

As the Russia-Ukraine crisis escalated, Kyiv diverted to its own forces Stugna-Ps that originally were bound for export customers, potentially including Algeria, Morocco and Saudi Arabia. That’s evident in videos of Stugna-P ops in Ukraine. Many of the consoles in the videos still display Arabic script.

The Stugna-P boasts an important feature. The operators can fire the tripod-mounted missile remotely via a rugged television control unit. Remote launch protects the crew, which must keep a laser beam pointed at the target until the missile

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: atgms; biden; burnandturn; chechens; chechnya; gunandrun; javelin; paddleandskedaddle; putin; putinsbuttboys; putinworshippers; russia; russianaggression; shootandscoot; ukraine; vladtheimploder; warofattrition; zottherussiantrolls
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These ATGM teams appear to be like sniper teams, only each team has 4 members, at least one of whom operates a drone.
1 posted on 04/02/2022 9:17:02 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: Zhang Fei

Red Dawn tactics


2 posted on 04/02/2022 9:17:58 PM PDT by bethelgrad
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To: Zhang Fei

3 posted on 04/02/2022 9:22:52 PM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: Zhang Fei

Glad they let everyone know their MO.


4 posted on 04/02/2022 9:22:57 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; ProtectOurFreedom; familyop; MercyFlush; ...
Ukraine ping

FYI re Putin's policy choices vis-a-vis the US:

Alexander Dugin’s book “Foundations of Geopolitics” has been used as a textbook in Russia and has had influence in military and political circles in Russia. In it, he advocates the following measures against Ukraine and the US:

The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia is a geopolitical book by Aleksandr Dugin. Its publication in 1997 was well received in Russia; it has had significant influence within the Russian military, police and foreign policy elites[1][2] and has been used as a textbook in the Academy of the General Staff of the Russian military…

Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because “Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics”. Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible.[9]…

Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke “Afro-American racists”. Russia should “introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics”.[9]


5 posted on 04/02/2022 9:28:12 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

No matter the time, no matter the technology, Infantry is still the Queen of Battle.


6 posted on 04/02/2022 9:29:04 PM PDT by Terabitten (Our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor...)
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To: Zhang Fei

learned? i thought it was doctrine...


7 posted on 04/02/2022 9:30:04 PM PDT by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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To: Sacajaweau

Their ‘MO’ has been known for decades. The tactic of shoot and move is not new.


8 posted on 04/02/2022 9:30:54 PM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: Zhang Fei

A classic guerrilla warfare tactic. This will grind the Russians down with a h passing week.


9 posted on 04/02/2022 9:42:30 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Кчерту Путина, Kчерту Россию)
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To: Chode

[learned? i thought it was doctrine...]


I have a feeling many of them weren’t actually soldiers until after the war started. The bulk of the lifers were positioned near the Crimea.


10 posted on 04/02/2022 9:50:19 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Sacajaweau

[Glad they let everyone know their MO.]


This used to be known as a Parthian shot during the Roman era. Depending on how lucky they felt, Parthian cavalry archers would venture to somewhere within bow but outside of pilum range and unleash a salvo of arrows against Roman heavy infantry. Then they’d spur their horses to get out of danger before a reaction force of auxiliary cavalry could catch up.


11 posted on 04/02/2022 9:52:32 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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Thanks Zhang Fei.

12 posted on 04/02/2022 9:54:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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Shoot and scoot is generally a good idea when involved in any kind of sniping. 1 shot, maybe 2 then git outta Dodge .

CC


13 posted on 04/02/2022 10:00:58 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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To: Sacajaweau

This is tactics 101. The Russians gain nothing by reading this.

CC


14 posted on 04/02/2022 10:02:19 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (My cats are more amusing than 200 channels worth of TV.)
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To: Magnum44

I think the Javelins are shoot and move. I think theyh are shoulder fired and they lock on their target when fired. So you don’t have to guide them in, you are free to move.

By Contrast the Stugna-P can be fired remotely from a tripod. But a team has to keep lasers on the target. So the team can avoid being in the immediate vicinity of the missile when fired. But the team is tied down due to the necessity of the laser on the target.


15 posted on 04/02/2022 10:08:22 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Zhang Fei

Deserves its own post. On these grounds the US could justify an invasion of Canada.


16 posted on 04/02/2022 10:09:48 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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The bulk of the lifers were stationed near the Donbas. There was one brigade watching Crimea, but their senior officers were bought and they were out of position and unable to block the tank rush up the highway.


17 posted on 04/02/2022 10:12:59 PM PDT by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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“Glad they let everyone know their MO.”

Shoot and scoot is as old as warfare.
The Mongols used it with great success, every guerilla outfit in history has used it as well.
Nothing new under the sun.
Only the weapons change.


18 posted on 04/02/2022 10:16:35 PM PDT by oldvirginian (When I was a kid I wanted to be older…this is not what I expected)
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To: buwaya

[The bulk of the lifers were stationed near the Donbas. There was one brigade watching Crimea, but their senior officers were bought and they were out of position and unable to block the tank rush up the highway.]


Thanks for the correction. My typo. I thought one thing and typed another.


19 posted on 04/02/2022 10:17:13 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Zhang Fei

Correct. I know of OT geeks who headed back to be such soldiers. Their job is shoot and scoot and leave the more intense fighting to real soldiers


20 posted on 04/02/2022 10:19:19 PM PDT by Cronos
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