Posted on 05/21/2022 5:40:08 AM PDT by DoodleBob
And this also bears repeating. COVID has killed over 1 Million in the USA alone. Waiting for additional data has it’s costs as well. Waiting for ten years for larger/longer trials might result in another 5 million deaths. The effects world wide might exceed 30 million deaths. Waiting for another ten years is not a free lunch.
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We’re now are left having to explain why the number of Covid deaths per 100K increased after the covid vaxx became available. For that matter, the increase seen in hepatitis in children as well. Wide release of a largely untested vaxx into the general population has by its very nature unknown long term consequences.
This bears repeating over and over and over again. Also, where the hell is Comirnaty? It’s 2022 and it is supposed to be out.
The government is using trickery of the EUA to force their political/medical will on the populace. Very evil.
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indeed. Big Pharma pulled a sleight of hand to authorize one drug, but continue to dole out the EUA drug. It’s a cute legal trick. This way, if it turns out there are devastating long term consequences to a significant population, the drug companies can say, “well, you the consumer took the risk. You got the legal waiver that the drug was EUA and could have unknown side-effects.”.
But, conversely, the approval of Comirnaty allowed the same drug companies to then tout its approval in the news; with the MSM being all to happy to do Sao given Big Pharma’s ad budgets.
Are thye saying that natural resistance due to becoming infected without being vaxxed only last approx 8 months?
What is Comirnaty?
Also yep, Biden and ilk are desperately trying to give away our sovereignty to foreigners. Should that happen, you can bet thst vaccine passports will be required to buy and sell, and sadly many many businesses will go right along with enforcing it because they will be threatened with closure if they refuse.
We are almost 2 years into the vaccines in this country, there should be plenty of data by now. They are very likely hiding the data, because it doesn’t support their agenda. We should have a general,idea about how many people have developed c,otts, heart problems organ issues from the vaccines by now so that folks can make informed decisions one way or the other. UT the left are real big on “you have to pass it in order to see what’s in it”, ie forcing people to take unknown substances or accept unknown bills etc.
The question is, how dangerous is the vaxx? How dangerous compared to not getting vaxxed? How,many cases of clots, heart problems and deaths from vaxx are there?
It’s been 2 years- there should be info by now
I agree. Informed consent is not possible without the data on these issues, the data we should expect when it comes to medical care, and in particular a vaccine authorized via emergency use
There have been 1MM people who died with COVID19 on their death certificate. Of that 1MM, about 94% had more than one comorbidity/an average of three comorbidities. Indeed, the narrative has changed from "dies OF covid" to "died WITH covid." Now, comorbidities aren't new. But they're rarely downplayed.
Furthemore, a good 75% of those fatalities with covid on their death certificate were from people 65 years old or more, many of whom had despicable Dem governors as a comorbidity. In addition, many of these fatalities could have been avoided through early adoption of other therapies. This is especially true for those more at risk than, say, 5-11 year olds. The shots are not the only balm under the sun.
So, extrapolating using this data, let's say about 60,000 people in America died over the past two years OF covid. Further, of that lot, 45,000 were aged 65+. That is still a lot of people, and loved ones are in that group. But it's not 1MM.
Getting to your basic question of cost/benefit analysis, there is a REASON why vaccines pass clinical trials only 41% of the time and the successful ones take on median of 9 years. Because we don't know what we don't know, and f'ing with the body isn't wise.
In effect, you're saying that you're ok with the entire citizenry being part of a clinical experiment that usually has a 59% failure rate that takes on median nine years to determine if it's kosher. You're ok with that, because this bug alone killed about 30,000 per annum and 500k per annum with comorbidities.
I suspect you were NOT a fan of the OSHA mandate, because while we may disagree on how to present data, we don't disagree on the primacy of the individual person. That said, this playing fast and loose with the data presentation is my pet peeve, and why I believe skepticism is well-founded...because playing fast and loose with data is what charlatans do when the data aren't on their side.
Oh bullsh@t!!!!
My brother-in-law was counted as one of the first "Covid Deaths" in our state. He was on hospice care for an inoperable cancerous brain tumor! At that time the PCR tests for Covid were not available to people who were not health care workers, celebrities, or politicians. So he was called a "presumptive" Covid death. But don't worry yourself, his death is still in the official count. Why? Because the doctors, hospitals, and who knows who else were given perverse incentives to count anyone they could get away with a Covid death. It is all about money my gullible friend!
Motorcycle accidents, gun shot wounds, knifings, strokes, heart attacks, cancer, lung disease, choking, falls from high buildings, and a plethora of other causes have all been classified as Covid deaths. Anyone who died for any reason who supposedly had Covid in their system as determined by a PCR tests with an astronomical false positive rate by government protocol has been counted as a "Covid Death" along with anyone else they just thought they could get away with like my brother-in-law.
Even more maddening however... the real killers for people who actually died from Covid related illness has not been Covid itself. The treatment protocols, the separation of patients from their advocates, the withholding of treatments that actually made a difference, flat out medical malpractice and deadly reactions to the "vaccines" have been the real killers.
As noted by life insurance actuaries... the death rate for people between the ages of 18-64 is way up. And sorry Poindexter, few of these deaths have anything to do with Covid related illness. There has been a huge increase in people of working age dropping over dead for reasons other than Covid. Why? The elephant in the room has been people forced to get the experimental jabs to keep their jobs, travel, go on a cruise and God knows for what else.
I have been an advocate for legitimate vaccines for my entire life. How many people do you know who volunteered to drive hundreds of old people to get their flu shots? That was me, volunteer bus driver for numerous multi-level care facilities. But something went terribly wrong with the experimental Covid "vaccines".
Flick Lives wrote: “We’re now are left having to explain why the number of Covid deaths per 100K increased after the covid vaxx became available.”
Your source?
Flick Lives wrote: “For that matter, the increase seen in hepatitis in children as well.”
Claims that this increase is due to covid vaccines is unjustifiable speculation. “Researchers have ruled out Covid-19 vaccines because the vast majority of the affected children were unvaccinated. Around three-quarters of cases are in children under five, who are ineligible for the shots in most places.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mysterious-hepatitis-in-kids-spurs-a-hunt-for-answers-11653039000
Flick Lives wrote: “Wide release of a largely untested vaxx into the general population has by its very nature unknown long term consequences.”
The ‘long term consequences’ from dying from COVID are well known.
IYO, How many additional deaths from delaying the vaccines ten years would be justified?
Yup, good point. Something this serious demands Information, and it should be criminal to,keep the info from folks whole demanding that they get the vaccines. The gop though seem to,not care that folks have to go through the process blind and uninformed.
I got covid 2 weeks ago. (I had 5 tests in total- 3 said neg, 2 said positive. 2 quick tests said negative, and one send out test said neg while the other send out test said positive. I was sic, as a dog with al. The symptoms of omicron, and both mty relstives had covid at the time, so,its safe to,assume i got covid too)
I asked what variant I had, thye couldn’t tell me. So my question is, how do they know what variants there are and how many cases there are when they can’t even tell me, after 5 tests, what variant I and my relatives had? How are the ,Epping track of variant cases across the country if they can’t tell with standard covid tests? (I’m assuming I had omicron, as suppxoedly thatnis what is dominant I. The country right now, with delta and covid 19 supposedly almost gone from the country, accordingto the statisticians who apparently,can’t tell what variants folks have with standard tests results?
When had to decide on surgery or meds for a condition, I d
Asked what the variables for both were, and was able to make an I formed decision based on the info. With the vaccines, we are in the dark pretty much, but now I have natural,resistance, so All is good for me, but others still have to face getting something g that docs apparently don’t know much about still after 2 years. If they do,know, then why aren’t they informing their patients? I asked what % are actuslly helped and by how much, and I got no answer
If I’m buying a car, and the owner won’t tell me any of the important details, then I’m not buying it. I will find an owner who is up front about the issues of,the car.
‘’ Natural immunity is the best way for humans to get through this. Another hard rule in epidemiology is that one doesn’t vaccinate a population during an epidemic. So much for that rule. ’’
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Absolutely 100% correct and the only Science one needs. Geert Vanden Bossche has been hammering this point and it is not a coincidence he was a veterinarian before moving into the Virology and Immunology fields:
“‘I SERIOUSLY expect that a series of new highly virulent and highly infectious SARS-CoV-2 (SC-2) variants will now rapidly and independently emerge in highly vaccinated countries all over the world and that they will soon spread at high pace. I expect the current pattern of repetitive infections and relatively mild disease in vaccinees to soon aggravate and be replaced by severe disease and death. Unfortunately, there is no way vaccinees can rely on assistance from their innate immune system to protect against coronaviruses as their relevant innate IgM antibodies are increasingly being outcompeted by infection-enhancing vaccinal Abs, which are continuously recalled due to the circulation of highly infectious Omicron variants. In contrast, Omicron’s high infectiousness would enable the non-vaccinated to train their innate immune defense against SC-2 while the infectious and pathogenic capacity of the new SC-2 variants would be debilitated in the non-vaccinated for lack of infection-enhancing Abs in their blood.
May,9,2022.
Geert Vanden Bossche
I am glad you are better and being sick is never fun, but our bodies are amazing in their natural (innate) abilities and before i inject something unnatural , i damn well want all the facts
Thanks, yeah took about 8 days to feel better. About 5 of those days was pretty miserable, but really I have had worse flues before, but thankfully me and family members didn’t react badly to the virus like some folks did unforutnatley, and it ran its course without much issue.
All three of us had several comorbities too, and I suffer asthma, copd and emphysema, so if anyone was gonna react badly, it shoulds been me. (I did tske ivermectin, then the one docs prescribe that is like ivermectin after i got tested- plaxovid I think was the name) also took green tea extract, zinc and d. I can’t say if they helped or not, but likely they did, but who knows, omicron is very survivable so,I might been fine without al. That, who knows. I just wanted to give it everything I could just incase.
“Are you aware of any vaccines that do not have side-effects (harm)?”
Nope. That’s why I said find one as they are still going to sell the old ones until the public determines the problem with the old ones with possible harm and a lack of success. You can always find hazards using msds documents and they will be doing the bare minimum on the product asked for. An example is the phizer covid vaccine from the 2021 msds from medsafe that indicated nothing short of double talk.
https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/profs/Datasheet/c/comirnatyinj.pdf
They don’t admit to harm from the vaccines by using emergency use designation, using small test numbers, and doing more talk around than fact. If anyone want to find out more about a drug, just look up its msds and it will tell you about it, good and bad. Everything on the market has one or more depending on who made it, it’s designation, and from where.
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The ‘long term consequences’ from dying from COVID are well known.
IYO, How many additional deaths from delaying the vaccines ten years would be justified?
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Without control groups, it’s all speculation. We have no way of determining how many more would have died with our without a vaccine without control groups. At best, the remaining unvaxxed population is our long term control group.
The reasons for long term testing of drugs is to prevent disasters such a Thalidomide from happening again.
Flick Lives wrote: “Without control groups, it’s all speculation. We have no way of determining how many more would have died with our without a vaccine without control groups. At best, the remaining unvaxxed population is our long term control group.”
And that is a rather large control group isn’t it?
Flick Lives wrote: “The reasons for long term testing of drugs is to prevent disasters such a Thalidomide from happening again.”
That’s not the real reason for such a long development period. The real driver time-wise was the desire to save money. Everything was done in sequence with long delays between events. Warp Speed did things in parallel saving time. You may find this interesting:
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/were-the-covid-19-vaccines-rushed
Flick Lives wrote: “Without control groups, it’s all speculation. We have no way of determining how many more would have died with our without a vaccine without control groups. At best, the remaining unvaxxed population is our long term control group.”
And that is a rather large control group isn’t it?
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I guess we’ll all find out the long term effects 3 and 5 years. Too bad there won’t be any way then to halt the “trial”, if there is an extreme long term effect such as suppressing the body’s innate immune response.
Flick Lives wrote: “I guess we’ll all find out the long term effects 3 and 5 years. Too bad there won’t be any way then to halt the “trial”, if there is an extreme long term effect such as suppressing the body’s innate immune response.”
Meanwhile, the vaccines will have saved another few million lives.
You really are a true believer. I salute you.
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