Posted on 06/11/2022 11:30:04 AM PDT by Hojczyk
Thanks for that link.
And the ecological cost is only part of it. At least some of the mines needed to produce materials for “green” tech use slave and child labor, so it’s even more impactful and “from a certain point of view” correct to say EVs run on forsaken children.
“What ! You mean EVs are not powered by Unicorn Farts and Rainbow Dust”
Of course not! Everyone knows that the electricity comes from the plug in receptacle located in the garage.
A parallel and more immediate issue with electrical cars is the fact that our electrical grid is barely supporting traditional demands already. Creating more demand on that grid that was being satisfied by oil will now create more shortages and life threatening situations.
Only if one is concerned about the environment.
The author is misleading. That reference is for all the batteries in a single Tesla vehicle. "one battery" equals one EV vehicle. Has nothing to do with the number of batteries in the Tesla. And Tesla uses different types of batteries depending on the market where the cars are sold (USA gets the immoral ones while China gets the less-polluting ones).
No it is just virtue signaling and dumbass signaling…
Immoral and just flat stupid
Thanks. That is what I was wondering. I knew Tesla had more than one battery. It hurts the author’s case to not be clear.
That has just gotta be stopped! (# elites)
no...
just be as quiet as the carts are and we’ll get along fine...
The stupidity of this article and of the replies on this thread are amazing. Immoral? Contrast the handful of EV‘s against the millions and millions of oil burning ICE cars produced over the last 130 years. Tell me which has been the biggest detriment to our planet so far.
Taking this away is the primary goal of the EV/Green movement. - It is also a primary goal of the Democrat party. They want to rule over serfs. They HATE the idea of individual freedom for the masses. Also why they are always pushing gun control to take away freedom and our ability to defend ourselves from tyranny.
We look at places like Cuba and North Korea and we see evil. Democrats look at those places and they see wonderful things. Where the people in charge (and they imagine themselves in charge) have absolute control over the populace. That's the dream and the goal of every Democrat politician. Which is why I say that Democrat voters are the dumbest things on the planet
It’s ok in my book, as long as you REFUSE to take the $7500 welfare check.
What is immoral is throw your mistake in the faces of others. Just live with the fact you were played, as it’s not the fault of us non-Globalists.
I will make one exception, though - the Ford electric pickup has a lot of battery capacity and is designed to power houses - and it costs far less than the Tesla PowerWall (on a kwh basis). Buying one or more of those as a battery backup for your home is ok with me, as long as it stays parked.
I don’t think it’s immoral to embrace the technology purely, but not to be hypocritical of others...
HOWEVER there is that ugly child labor (slaves/human trafficing) for the lithium which rarely gets a mention in our liberating left wing press!
Aren’t these practices against international law? There are other ways to perform that mining & extraction.
Patagonia region of Argentina has a salt flat that contains a layer of lithium throughout the feature that is worth billions.
The Argentinean government is not letting anybody near it as they patiently wait, and of course they are not allowing foreign interests down there, this isn’t the colonial period. Argentina is standing firm.
Argentina’s economic story is fairly interesting and a lot of it parallels what we are and gave been going through having divested our country of heavy industry offshore to other countries for whatever reason other than - we just didn’t want the mess here - I cannot fathom.
If everything in our country having to do with heavy industry has been shoveled off by these leftist Elites soley hecause they don’t want the mess here in the USA... how? Create an Environmental Protection maze that drives everything out of the country so the other countries can get their hands dirty and their lungs full of soot and we can remain pristine and hypocritical?
At the very least America could pergorm the heavy industry environmentally cleaner then these third-world countries that have no regard for anything other than mass producing at whatever and no matter the “total” cost and levels of caste. The economic hard labor remains... the profits are channeled away from the labor forcing abysmal levels of poverty.
Argentina recovered, when they realized that they needed to bring heavy industry back into the country because otherwise they had withered to merely a house of cards. Argentina has already experienced severe downturn, and turned it around.
Did greed supercede Argentina’s rise, or were world wars and other conflicts a blight on prosperity?
There’s a lesson there - I hope America realizes we need our industry back restoring our economic engine, to a fully functioning powerhouse, not a paper-shufflin’ house of cards.
““All told, you dig up 500,000 pounds of the earth’s crust for just one battery.”
In fact, I suspect that most of the steel now used in normal cars is recycled from older cars or other applications.
With 250,000 miles from the battery (1,000 cycles, 250 mile range) that's 2 pounds of earth's crust per mile of driving. Versus about 0.2 pounds of gasoline for each mile of combustion driving. But my EV stat doesn't include the fuel which would have to include solar panel manufacturing and/or coal mining depending on the electric source. My gasoline stat doesn't include the manufacturing of the engine (comparable to the battery plus electric motors)
I think the numbers in the article lack context and completeness. The article is not a very good example of engineering analysis.
I honestly do not care. I do care if government is used to force the issue.
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