Posted on 08/08/2022 8:05:26 AM PDT by tanstaafl.72555
Corruption is not in the document.
It has been corrupted by nefarious judges and degenerate politicians twisting the words hither and yon the way they wish to use against us.
Nope. Any written document can be made silent and useless by the men who would otherwise enforce and obey it if only they were good at heart.
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
― John Adams
Having studied the matter since 2015, my opinion is that the first COS will send nothing to the states for ratification.
That would be a good thing.
It would show the silliness of “runaway convention” fears.
So our Constitution is inadequate today?
To be more correct, it probably needs to be reread and everything added by the far left should be removed. I would like to see the Bill of Right become a stand alone document and not part of the sh&tbag “amendments” that can be removed or modified and otherwise diddled with by the diddlers on da Hill.
You folks think you can call a Constitutional Convention and
limit it to what you want to address.
In the end you may be proven right, but the Communist’s
calloused disregard for the Constitution and it’s tenets,
leads me to realize they will demand their issues be
addressed and the courts as well as Congress may agree.
What are you going to do then, with them in the majority
and slicing off the Second Amendment, and adding in
abortion protections. Why it’s a Pandora’s Box for
them.
I don’t want to take that chance.
It appears that in time you will probably win out.
We’ll see how it goes.
I would like to see the Bill of Right become a stand alone document”
Agree.
There is no such thing as "impossibility" in politics. The restraints of detailed commissions are not worth the paper on which they would be printed.
Who will select those delegates? What criteria will be used to vet those delegates? Show all work. Hand-waving and passionate assertions are not enough. This is the first and most vulnerable point of the whole endeavor.
Delegates must be screened, and unsuitable ones rejected before they ever pass through a door. The acceptance/rejection criteria must be firmly established before a single name is placed on a list. Are we doing that? You can bet that the Leftists are going to do that.
Even a small group of committed socialists from a few States can derail or poison the Convention. What are the rules of order and who will enforce them? Again, this must be established before the first session of the Convention in any State.
What are the boundaries of absolutely unacceptable proposals which cannot be allowed from even the most ardent Leftist States? (Here is looking at California, New York, etc.). I would suggest that any proposals from any State which substantially repeals any of the first 10 Amendments is flatly unacceptable and should never be allowed out of any State delegation. That is for openers.
You might want to add to that list. I believe it is a good start, but not sufficient.
Finally, what are the security provisions that must be put in place to prevent delegates from being intimidated, assaulted, or assassinated? We are dealing with vicious opponents who will not obey rules or laws unless they are forced to do so. And there are no real limits on what they will consider doing if they sense a credible threat to their powers.
Getting ratification for a call to the Convention is barely a start on what is needed for a tolerable outcome. A lot of preparation is needed before that event. I am hearing way too much happy talk and way too many dismissals of critics to be comfortable proceeding.
No, we believe in the CONSTITUTION. Simple as that. Not the parts of the Constitution that the John Birch Society tells us are ok to believe.
WE don’t limit it. The parameters of what are a convention itself limit it.
I know what a communist is, and frankly, I fear their infiltration of our present system of operation far worse than a convention taken for the express purpose of fighting them. Trusting this present system has almost destroyed the nation, culture and union.
I just don’t agree that the idea of “slicing off the second Amendment” is anything more than a bogeyman to wave around to scare people.There is exactly ZERO evidence that there is any possibility of this happening legally, and if one is claiming that the left will just do it illegally... well, they hardly need a convention to do that.
You guys are gambling with my Constitutional rights, so don’t
get dismissive on me.
There is a valid concern here.
There is actually no articulable concern here which can be documented. It is a fiction that a convention can be called which can morph into an out of control entity that deviates from it’s SPECIFICALLY called purpose. It is a further fiction that such a convention would have any binding authority. Those two things are simply not rational fears.
It is a far greater rational fear that the entities which have been allowed to propagate under the cover of FIGHTING communism and promoting law and order will wind up being the agency of destruction of the Constitution itself... like the events in Florida tonight show .
If you wanna know the reality of where the greater danger is, well.... that is where it is.
There is no constitutional authority for a national police force like the FBI, yet we have scads of folk who consider themselves good patriotic Americans who define conservative principles by supporting entities like them, and are shocked at the fact that they have morphed into STASI. Didn’t even need a convention, either.
I, like you, have plenty of fears of losing my freedoms, but they are not rooted in an article V convention.
We are on the knife edge of losing everything.
Good luck to all of us.
These are people that dismiss Constitutional tenets day in
and day out, but you are dead set certain they won’t get to
circumvent an Article V convention tenet.
What in the sam hell do you base that faith on?
I have the same faith that I have when I confidently predict that NO NEW LAND SPEED RECORDS WILL BE SET ON MY GRANDSON’S TRICYCLE.
You see, the motivations, determination, willingness, none of that matters if you don’t have a vehicle that will get you there. An article 5 convention is not designed to do the kind of radical changes you fear. I do have some faith in the framers of the constitution. Because I have bothered to read and investigate the system for conventions they set up, it helps a bit.
Remember, they anticipated this issue and gave us a very specifically engineered tool to correct it. I sorta think they are smarter than us, when it comes to political theory.
Maybe you should give it a look rather than just mechanicaly repeating.. “no, too dangerous, can’t risk it, the commies are going to get me.” Your call, though.
I certainly agree with your assessment of the dire state of the leftist cabal in this country and the absolutely pathetic state of awareness and understanding of the average citizen. I considered leaving here some time ago, not because I thought I would find a “better” place, but one where the government was so dysfunctional they would be unable to efficiently track you.
The USA as we knew it is gone. The memory of it is about to wisp away if something is not done soon. No, I am not encouraged, here.
I’ve given it a look, and it is always amusing to see someone avoid admitting that nobody is playing by the rules these days, so it’s YOU that has to be wrong.
What leader do you see that you could count on to defend the rule of law?
Please point that person out to me, because our side rolls over constantly.
There’s hardly a backbone in all of Congress.
The Left pulls what they want and our side caves 999 times out of a
thousand.
Are we running immigration constitutionally?
Are we running elections constitutionally?
Is Biden observing the court rulings he’s lost?
Is our side objecting?
No, our side calls anyone who objects a potential terrorist.
You’re convinced that in this environment, a Constitutional Convention
Would be the only thing run according to Hoyle.
Laughable…
I am not afraid for the security of money in a bank because some career criminal is standing at midnight on the corner with a sledge hammer. You can bawl and wail and screech and bellow all you want about his awful record, how he should be in jail, how he never plays by the rules, how he wants to steal the money and how he will CERTAINLY find a way to do so. The fact is, he just does not have the equipment to make it happen. Howling at the moon about how evil he is will not magically transmogrify that sledgehammer into an instrument which will let you break into a vault. The only way one can maintain the fear is to deliberately not understand the mechanics of the vault construction and the physics of how to crack it. The guy’s character is irrelevant.
What is even sadder is to insist that because some moonbeam criminal with a sledgehammer stands on the sidewalk every night, we should do nothing about the electronic security of the safe, which is where the real danger of a breakin lies.
It is being fixated on the wrong area, and is going to guarantee the money is gone.
Why do you imagine that this piece of paper provides ANYTHING if things have collapsed to the point you insist? May as well use 2a as toilet paper for all the good it will do you. ... BTW, my freedom to keep and bear arms no more depends on some government and its pretty little scrap of paper than it does on the inhabitants of the planet Xircon and their pronouncements.
There is a tiny minority of people in this culture who believe in God and that He gives freedoms to men and that governments not only do not GRANT those freedoms, but that the US government is just one of a long string of nation states which come and go. We are not and never have been some city on a hill and the fixation on the supposed virtue of this particular state and the terror that it may be “lost” is the very thing which causes people to cling to an entity, rather than the values which once made it a good place to make a life, family and culture. I am ready to see “America” burn and its virtues flushed down the commode of history if in doing so the values of liberty, freedom, and goodness can be transferred to a new state which does not despise them. THAT is a very dangerous path to take, and I would prefer not to do so, but I am not going to cling to a form which has become a repudiation of everything that once made it great because of a piece of paper which even its own adherents won’t follow, or pick and choose which sections they will follow.
Thank you for your response.
We have common ground. I disagree on this.
Take care.
“…an unprecedented gathering that could rewrite large parts of the US
Constitution and fundamentally change American life”
This description is not accurate to my way of thinking.
Those pushing Article V seemed to be focused on several issues
and did not envision major changes that would change citizen’s
way of life.
The wording seems framed to scare people and turn them against
the project.
God bless you, and thank you for your irenic response.
Am good with that too. Everything that advances the globalist “state” away from our Constitutional Republic. Amendments that were for the actuation of central federal control over the Separation of Powers to the various States not so dilineated to the feds. Power creep and now near control.
Secession was not decided by Civil War, except through military suppression of an opposing force. This has been discussed in all major law schools.
19th Gone— good!
Are there any written Founders guidelines or rules in the event of an Article 5 Convention of States—such as to prevent any Faction of states from taking over the event?
The Electoral college for example was championed by those Founders who created it in the Constitution to prevent factions as they knew formed throughout the olde Europe politics they had escaped. Thus the potential of factions of states or groups of states in national elections were reduced in power by the Electors so selected in each state.
The story of the 17th Amendment which completely changed the way a State’s Senator is elected in our Constitution as a closest to the people representation to balance a popularly elected House of Representatives districts based on Census. The 17th consolidated the urban centers, large national corporations, by an unbalanced vote of the whole, by eliminating the value of a State Legislator’s vote spread all over the State regardless of population distribution, instead of having the State Legislatures vote for 2 Senators. This happened in Progressive 1912, getting enough states to amend in 1913. The same 1913 the Federal Reserve (Private) Bank was created, funded by J.P. Morgan. Both of these rammed through by Rockefeller’s man Senator Nelson Aldrich and of course Demonrat President/Tyrant Wilson, in addition to the expansion of the Aldrich-Vreeland Federal Income Tax begun in 1909 and morphed into the Revenue Act of 1913 creating the income tax tweaked forever since then— again all of these happening in concurrence with Federal Reserve co-opting by “charter with Congress”, our US currency. The very thing that Andrew Jackson had destroyed prior— they got back in a power grab, forever. (Obamaumao signed another 100 years of this “charter” in December 2013). Our currency is a promissory note of the Federal Reserve who prints it, digitally and physically.
Outside money elected Senators approved all of these, elected under the 17th Amendment (those few remaining who were not- were the only opponents of this massive “transformation” of its day, now our current day)
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