Posted on 08/08/2022 8:05:26 AM PDT by tanstaafl.72555
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I understand how the Article 5 Convention is restricted in its format and has states still as protectors from the results purportedly but I am a student of history.
Those working with and supporters of the Article of Confederation, our first government, allowed a limited convention that went free range and through it all out with a new constitution.
Once a convention is convened NOTHING will stop where it leads.
One wonders… How could we be any further away from the constitutional republic as founded?
The Framers in their wisdom gave us the ability to fix what they saw was the inevitable establishment of a tyrannical federal authority. But you in your wisdom have decided that we should just stick with an overbearing deep state/federal government out of control.
Rewriting the Constitution is the last thing Trump wants.
I’d like to see an amendment to move the capital district every 20-25 years to a randomely selected state.
You mean by the bleu states, right?
There is a big difference between a ‘Constitutional Convention’ (Federal controlled) and a ‘Convention of States’ (State controlled)
There are far more GOP states.
A ‘constitutional convention’ is the one Rush always warned about. I wish he had pointed out the difference between that and an article 5 convention of states.
No, they are not.
Leftists have demonstrated superior skills at organizing political movements and subverting institutions for the last 50 years. Quite bluntly, they are better at these things than we are. We need to catch up, at the very least.
Concerns that Leftists will hijack an Article V convention are well-founded and should be met with serious discussion of how that is to be prevented. Passionate hand-waving assertions about procedural and legal limitations of such a convention are not good enough.
Accusing critics of "ignorance" is not good enough.
Leftists ignore procedure and legal restrictions whenever it suits them. And with major revisions to the Constitution in play, "by any means necessary" is the only rule they will follow to get what they want.
Every possible change to the Constitution that is under consideration must include detailed planning to defeat Leftist attempts at subversion or poisonous "compromises". I hear mostly silence or denial about this problem from proponents of an article 5 convention. Which is why I am not a supporter of that proposal.
That wouldn’t even be a thing if the establishment “right” had some nards.
It oughtn’t to be necessary, but an original intent amendment would be useful. It should be obvious that all laws should only be interpreted as the legislators who enacted them had intended, but apparently it isn’t.
Please read all the posted rebuttals to that belief.
What you are avoiding is the FACT that Art. 5 is there for PRECISELY what has happened. I trust the people who gave us the Constitution, not the people who have never even read it.
Given the state of the country, the best outcome of a convention would be no ratified amendments, it's probable that any amendments which could be ratified by 38 states would be bad, maybe very bad.
Welcome to our world here at FR. Good to see new face
emerge.
You neglected to point out the difference between a (federal controlled) ‘Constitutional Convention’ and a (state controlled) ‘Article 5 Convention of states’
Once a Constitutional Convention is called, any delegation can propose an amendment, and it then is sent to the states for ratification. There is no designated limits as to how long this Constitutional Convention would last, how many amendments could be proposed, nor how long states would be given to ratify amendments proposed.
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my fear is that the chaos being created is on purpose. so, the powerful can use a convention of states to rewrite everything to their benefit.
At first, I wasn’t convinced. But when you deployed all of those exciting ALL CAPS, it totally changed my mind.
sigh... a repeal of the 2nd amendment would require 31 states to sponsor a specific amendment to do so.
It would NOT arise from a convention where states proposed:
1) the ability of 2/3 of the states to set aside a uSSC ruling
2) repeal of 16th amendment
3) mandatory term limits for Congress
4) line item veto for executive office on budgets
5) repeal of 17th amendment
.... all of which are on kind of a conservative “wish list”
anyway, a con con which proposes THESE SPECIFIC AMENDMENTS cannot.. CANNOT.... CANNOT be magically transmogrified into a catchall convention to make NOW the new Congress, install Al Sharpton as president for life, and repeal the first and second amendment (and the fourth and fifth for good measure).
The hysterical blubbering nonsense that invariably arises about this junk shows you WAY WAY more about the ignorance of the process of Article V and the irrational willingness to remain so than it does the actual dangers.
A political environment that is so corrupted that can produce such a magical event is such that your silly little piece of paper will not save you anyway.
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