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It's irreconcilable differences.

Somebody has to win. Somebody has to lose.

No "deal" will be worth spit.

1 posted on 12/01/2022 3:25:44 PM PST by Mariner
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Washington’s Carthaginian Peace Collides With Reality

The Biden administration refuses to tell the American people the truth: Ukraine is not winning and will not win this war.

Col Douglas Macregor / Nov 29

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/washingtons-carthaginian-peace-collides-with-reality/

The national political and military leaders who committed America to wars of choice in Vietnam, the Balkans, Afghanistan, and Iraq, did so as a rule because they were convinced the fighting would be short and decisive. American presidents, presidential advisors, and senior military leaders never stopped to consider that national strategy, if it exists at all, consists of avoiding conflict unless the nation is attacked and compelled to fight.

The latest victim of this mentality is Ukraine.
[rest at link]


2 posted on 12/01/2022 3:29:54 PM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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The other option is..both sides lose.


3 posted on 12/01/2022 3:34:55 PM PST by Leep (Hillary will NEVER be president! 😁)
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No reason they can’t have “talks”, especially using lower level officials.

Or putin can just “declare” victory like he “declared” war


4 posted on 12/01/2022 3:37:36 PM PST by Sunsong
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Deal will be reached quickly when Biden stops laundering money through Ukraine.


5 posted on 12/01/2022 3:39:05 PM PST by entropy12 (Food is most popular anxiety drug, exercise is the least popular.)
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Kinda like Afghanistan? Vietnam? Iraq?

“Only a military solution is possible now. Diplomacy will become viable only when one of the sides becomes too weak to keep fighting and gives up claims to eastern and southern Ukraine.”


6 posted on 12/01/2022 3:40:06 PM PST by 2banana (Common ground with islamic terrorists-they want to die for allah and we want to arrange the meeting)
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I agree with the generalpremise, but there is absolutely no way the Russians are going to pay any reparations, ever. And no way to make them pay, either.

Only cha.ce would be legal judgements against Russia funded by Russian money in European banks.

8 posted on 12/01/2022 3:45:27 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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Neither side will be allowed to end this proxy war. Too many people don’t get it. This is WWIII orchestrated by powers demanding to rule the world.


9 posted on 12/01/2022 3:46:59 PM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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We’ve already sunk $80 billion (and counting) into this money laundering corrupt country to no avail and now Zelensky says he’s gonna need a trillion to rebuild. Why would any American want to spend this kind of money on Ukraine? Are you crazy? Russia considers this an existential war for its survival and is NOT going to lose, and would even resort to nukes as a last option. You war mongering neocon scumbags disgust me. Just total idiots.


11 posted on 12/01/2022 3:48:54 PM PST by jimwatx
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This war will end on Vlad’s terms….and the West knows it. This will go down as another Biden Fubar, just like his Afghanistan debacle, Covid vax scam, etc….
The sad part, Ukraine was utterly destroyed, the EU crippled, and the US hegemony finally broken.

Carry on war cheerleaders, there is a price to pay for supporting a senile old man bent on crippling America.


12 posted on 12/01/2022 3:49:02 PM PST by delta7
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Zelensky is in a real bind. When he abandons the country, the hard core Ukrainian Nazi’s will chase him to the ends of the Earth as will the Russians. They may have to flip a coin to decide who gets the joy of finishing off the little clown.


23 posted on 12/01/2022 4:16:48 PM PST by Gnome1949
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Regarding the back and forth from dueling comments;

"Russia's running out of weapons" is a daily salvo fired by the NATO proponents and SloJoe administration which "owns" the current Ukrainian government by virtue of paying their wages and retirement. Whoosh! Another salvo. "Russia is running out of missiles." "And washing machine electronics."

"Ukraine and NATO are running out of weapons!" An almost daily salvo is fired back by proponents of the Pooty Put. "NATO's arsenal is emptying with no production capability to restock!" Whoosh. Another salvo. "Putin's dying of cancer, Parkinson's, tremors and more."

Drone footage! Whoosh! No, this time I MEAN it! March said someone's running our of.... June said.... October said.... December says. Whoosh. Incoming salvo. Let us all salivate, if we are in the stadium cheering on our team. Yeah team! The other side should be called "Comrade." No, say the Gauleiters. No! The other side should be called "Gauleiters," say the Comrades.

For the remainder for whom this is not our circus and not our clowns, the side show on FR is delightfully interesting. Whoosh! The denouement will be a surprise probably with a twist or two. Whoosh!

Regards to all.

24 posted on 12/01/2022 4:18:06 PM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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CONgress had better set up another money laundering country fast. Maybe Nuland and fat ass Vindman can find one..........how about Columbia, so they can get some coke for their parties.


28 posted on 12/01/2022 4:30:15 PM PST by davidb56
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War won’t end without a negotiated settlement.


29 posted on 12/01/2022 4:31:36 PM PST by kabar
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As usual those calling for battle to the death are all comfortably ensconced in front of keyboards and monitors.

F***ing REMFs.


33 posted on 12/01/2022 4:44:51 PM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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