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The Coming Gas Stove Culture War. Don’t believe this week’s denials. Progressive Democrats really are coming for your kitchen appliances.
Wall Street Journal ^ | January 13, 2023 | WSJ Editorial Board

Posted on 01/14/2023 6:01:54 AM PST by karpov

A sign of the media times is how quickly our leading progressive organs rally to deny that Democrats are doing what Democrats really are doing. A classic example was this week’s flare up in the coming climate war over banning gas stoves.

A Biden appointee on the Consumer Product Safety Commission explicitly threatened to ban gas stoves based on dubious evidence of public-health harm. “This is a hidden hazard,” said commissioner Richard Trumka Jr. “Any option is on the table. Products that can’t be made safe can be banned.”

We and others criticized the idea, and the media response was to rush to blame conservatives for starting it all. “Right’s new fight: Gas stoves,” said Axios, which pushes hard for the climate alarmist agenda. The Washington Post assured its readers that “regulators have no plans to ban gas stoves, but Republicans are slamming the Consumer Product Safety Commission for announcing it will examine the health impacts of the appliances.”

But we didn’t make up Mr. Trumka’s quote. We and others responded to it. After withering public criticism, including by Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin, the CPSC Chairman denied any plan to ban, and the White House said President Biden also doesn’t want to ban gas stoves. But that’s cold comfort given that the climate left does want to ban them, and progressive cities and states are doing it.

Progressive cities such as Berkeley, San Francisco and New York City have already banned gas stoves and other appliances in new buildings. New York Gov. Kathy Hochul this week proposed a ban on gas equipment including stoves in new small buildings in 2025 and larger ones in 2028.

Come 2030, New Yorkers won’t be allowed to replace their gas stoves with new ones if they break down.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: cooking; energy; food; gasstove; gasstoves; liars; naturalgas; stoves
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To: karpov

21 posted on 01/14/2023 6:25:03 AM PST by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: ronnie raygun
#4: "Trumka son of union douche."

Trumpka the meathead son of a union douche.

Oh yes, you have to upgrade your service and house wiring for an electric range: 240 volt 50 amp miniumum for the range circuit alone.

When the lights go out, no cooking, no heat. With gas you can cook and heat the kitchen.

22 posted on 01/14/2023 6:26:04 AM PST by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: karpov

Agree. This was just a trial balloon sent up to see what kind of reaction it would get. Softening up the opposition.


23 posted on 01/14/2023 6:27:38 AM PST by 1956tbyrd
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Heterosexuals will be labeled domestic terrorists as well probably...
But Democrats need to first control all branches of government for that. Thank God they just lost the Congress.


24 posted on 01/14/2023 6:31:13 AM PST by USA-FRANCE
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To: Sequoyah101

You are right! They always manage to move their agenda forward even if it’s a small amount and “we” can barely muster a coherent response. Never thought transgender ideas would be so commonplace and mainstream but it is. Just one example of many in our upside down world in which we live.


25 posted on 01/14/2023 6:31:28 AM PST by PeachyKeen
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To: karpov

New homes in California required to have all-electric appliances by 2026

https://news.yahoo.com/homes-california-required-electric-appliances-192725148.html

L.A. is banning most gas appliances in new homes. Get ready for electric stoves

https://news.yahoo.com/l-banning-most-gas-appliances-220146293.html


26 posted on 01/14/2023 6:35:33 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money)
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To: karpov

An electric stove requires a 50 amp circuit. There isn’t always room in the panel for an additional 2 pole breaker, especially in a house that was designed not to need one. A huge number of houses in the NE only have a 100 amp or 150 amp panel. That’s total load. When houses have gas dryers, stoves, water heaters and central heating systems, the extra electric load wasn’t needed or planed for.


27 posted on 01/14/2023 6:37:59 AM PST by SunTzuWu
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To: MtnClimber

28 posted on 01/14/2023 6:38:54 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: karpov
Gas stoves are the only practical medium for effective long term food preservation. AKA pressure canning.

Make it so people can not store up food and you can control the food supply.

29 posted on 01/14/2023 6:39:54 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (The nation of france was named after a hedgehog... The hedgehog's name was Kevin... Don't ask)
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To: karpov

I think there’s probably going to come a time when they’ll try to ban flush toilets, as being wasteful of natural resources. The idea is to ban everything that makes civilization civilized.


30 posted on 01/14/2023 6:40:14 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: SunTzuWu
A huge number of houses in the NE only have a 100 amp or 150 amp panel. That’s total load. When houses have gas dryers, stoves, water heaters and central heating systems, the extra electric load wasn’t needed or planed for.

Let's add another 40 amp 240V circuit for the garage (or even 2x40A for a two-car family) for the Electric Vehicle Level 2 Charger(s).

31 posted on 01/14/2023 6:43:20 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag really necessary? Pray for President Biden: Psalm 109:8)
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To: Shady

If someone comes after my 8 burner, double oven gas range there will be hell to pay.


32 posted on 01/14/2023 6:47:03 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (“Racist” is the new “Nazi”.)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie
It has nothing to do with pollution, and everything to do with control. With electricity they can throw a switch and shut you down.
Notice this appeared in the news at the same time as the story about requiring automobiles to have a "kill switch".

Bingo! We have a winner!

33 posted on 01/14/2023 6:53:08 AM PST by Thommas (The snout of the camel is already under the tent.)
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To: srmanuel

About 5 years ago we were considering a move to the next county over.

In looking at a couple of model homes in a planned development the sales associate mentioned the stoves in both models were gas......my wife asked if they could be changed out to electric.....the sales associate stated the county building code required gas stoves......I imagine that’s the case in a lot of places.

The whole thing is insane.


34 posted on 01/14/2023 6:55:11 AM PST by V_TWIN (America...so great even the people that hate it refuse to leave!)
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To: ronnie raygun

Somewhere along the way, some people got the idea that they were put on earth to tell others how to live. These people could accomplish the same goals with education… teach people about dangers for example… but instead they move to ban under threat of punishment. So be it. They started it.


35 posted on 01/14/2023 6:58:35 AM PST by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton)
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To: karpov

They absolutely are. They woild,have implemented it already if they hadn’t got blowback from the public when they found out. Next time they will just do it 9n the Q-T and ignore any blowback claiming g that they had to do it in order to “save mother earth”


36 posted on 01/14/2023 7:02:17 AM PST by Bob434 (question)
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To: Bob434

Not to mention. THat they will clamp down on any opposition to it, claiming that he opposition is peddling “misinformation” and demand that social media, the msm and big tech work ogether to squash the opposition. Heck, they mighT even orchestrate another faux insurrection tO imprison those who object.


37 posted on 01/14/2023 7:04:33 AM PST by Bob434 (question)
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To: V_TWIN

It’s not just individuals that would be harmed, just about every decent restaurant in the country uses gas griddles and appliances, how many pizzas get cooked in an electric oven ??

10s of thousands of people would become unemployed and major companies would be bankrupt if this foolishness goes thru.


38 posted on 01/14/2023 7:06:04 AM PST by srmanuel
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To: butlerweave

The standard of living in the United States is too high for Central Planning.
obama oregon May 17 2008 “We can’t drive our SUVs and, you know, eat as much as we want and keep our homes on, you know, 72 degrees at all times, whether we’re living in the desert or we’re living in the tundra, and then just expect every other country is going to say OK, you know, you guys go ahead keep on using 25 percent of the world’s energy, even though you only account for 3 percent of the population, and we’ll be fine. Don’t worry about us. That’s not leadership. ~ Barack Obama
Told You So!


39 posted on 01/14/2023 7:07:55 AM PST by griswold3 (Truth, Beauty and Goodness )
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To: V_TWIN

And if THAT doesn’t work, they will try providing zyklon b to anyone who chooses to use gas. For ANY reason. Yep! That’s the government we all know and love....always looking out of us.


40 posted on 01/14/2023 7:09:26 AM PST by Qwapisking ("IF the Second goes first the First goes second" L.Star )
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