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There Is No Firm, Sustained Support for Gun Control
Newsweek ^ | 03/09/2023 | John Lott & Thomas Massie

Posted on 03/09/2023 6:30:18 AM PST by VictimsRightsPro2a

frequent talking point in the gun control debate is that Americans overwhelmingly support "common sense" gun control measures, such as universal background checks and red flag laws. The Biden administration referenced these surveys last month, when it announced that $231 million will go to states that enact "red flag" laws and push gun control policies. These surveys are constantly invoked in legislative hearings and in the media. But surveys often compress complicated bills down to one-sentence summaries, and the results are often unreliable.

Gun control advocates claim that over 90% of Americans support universal background checks, which would require checks for privately exchanged firearms. Fact-checkers from Politifact and Snopes support these claims. When asked why Congress won't pass a universal background check law, academics point to the lobbying power of the National Rifle Association.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; cprc; guns; johnlott

1 posted on 03/09/2023 6:30:18 AM PST by VictimsRightsPro2a
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To: VictimsRightsPro2a

It shouldn’t matter one way or another.

It’s a right. The Constitution identifies it as a right and reminds the government that the right shall not be infringed.

On this sort of thing, the opinion of The People does not matter. Unless you want to amend the Constitution and start mucking with the Bill Of Rights.


2 posted on 03/09/2023 6:32:56 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (“You want it one way, but it's the other way”)
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To: VictimsRightsPro2a

There used to be but that was prior to WWII before America whipped the Nazi’s asses. With crime and mass killings skyrocketing since Jo Jo the Pedo Clown and his Carnival Freakshow rose to power, I really don’t think this is a good time to start firearm confiscation in America. We going to need our guns to protect ourselves, our families and our property.


3 posted on 03/09/2023 6:35:31 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer ("I may be a white boy but I'm not stupid". - FJB at Black "History" event. Tell 'em Jo Jo!)
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To: VictimsRightsPro2a

John Lott injecting sanity into the discourse, as usual. He highlights the fact that so-called “surveys” present highly misleading propositions to people who don’t know any better and don’t think things through anyway.


4 posted on 03/09/2023 6:37:36 AM PST by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative.)
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To: VictimsRightsPro2a

REAL reform against “gun violence”?

Begin about age twelve or so, with introducing the ENTIRE school age population to firearms, up close and with the intention of demystifying the “magic” power of guns. Expand this into the care, feeding, grooming and proper respect for the potential of the devices, and follow up with training in the selection of target, framing the target, and firing upon the target, all with the express purpose of doing this under controlled conditions. Once the familiarity with the weapons is established, then work on developing skills in accuracy and the correct procedures to prepare for the recoil, aiming, and firing, followed by whatever procedures are necessary to load the next round into the chamber. Repeat the aim, firing and reload until these are second nature, all the while sharpening up the accuracy.

This would have twofold effect - the guns just become another fact of life, like electricity and automobiles, a useful tool and with its own purposes. Also, it would be obvious quite quickly which of the learners, whether through carelessness, or those that harbor malicious thoughts, are the ones who should NEVER come into possession of a weapon. Then the perpetually timid, who cannot be compelled to pick up a weapon under any circumstances, even after attempts to familiarize them, should still be given training in how to avoid, evade, shelter in place, or somehow distract the active shooter, so it may be possible to make a concerted effort to neutralize or otherwise disarm the shooter.

And to have their Social Security number tattooed somewhere on their bodies, so they may be identified from among the fallen later on.

Upon graduation from high school, and with the certificate of training in their possession, the youth are then eligible to take ownership and possession of their personal firearm. None of this business about waiting until age 21, or 25, or whatever. Adulthood implies the capability for adult responsibilities.

And on the longer term, the military forces shall have a MUCH larger pool of potential recruits in the future, all with the basic knowledge of firearms, and a large civilian population that stands ready to resist any internal or external invasion - “You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.”

Make it so, Number One.


5 posted on 03/09/2023 6:43:59 AM PST by alloysteel (Never let your sense of morals get in the way of doing what's right. - Isaac Asimov)
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To: VictimsRightsPro2a

HUH?! Sounds like mis/dis/mal-information. 😂👍


6 posted on 03/09/2023 6:46:45 AM PST by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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To: VictimsRightsPro2a

I believe in gun control, wide stance, both hands on the weapon, exhale, squeeze - don’t pull the trigger and make every shot a surprise.


7 posted on 03/09/2023 6:50:08 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn...)
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To: VictimsRightsPro2a

Regarding civil rights, the First Amendment has been stretched every which way to protect actions like abortion, drug addition and pedophilia. Meanwhile the Second Amendment only refers to actions associated with militias. Since militias are terrorists and illegal, there is no Second Amendment.


8 posted on 03/09/2023 6:51:52 AM PST by kickstart ("A gun is a tool. It is only as good or as bad as the man who uses it" . Alan Ladd in 'Shane' )
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To: kickstart

I cannot understand how taking away my guns and leaving me defenseless will make anyone else safer. The problem with violent crime is the elephant in the room no one is willing to discuss because of “racism”. It is largely young black and hispanic males killing other black and hispanic males. Leaving me unable to defend my home and family won’t address this issue.


9 posted on 03/09/2023 7:01:36 AM PST by ozarker
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To: VictimsRightsPro2a

***Americans overwhelmingly support “common sense” gun control measures***

I have heard this nonsense since 1963 when JFK was murdered by a Commie, and later when RFK was murdered by a Palestinian Immigrant.

I have never found it to be true.

Starting in 1962 with the demand of Dems Thomas J. Dodd and Emanuel Celler...
1962 We ONLY want to register handguns. Rifles will not be affected!
1964, We ONLY want to register ALL firearms, not ban them.
1968 We ONLY want to register all guns, and ban the import of foreign Saturday Night Specials, and 5-shot bolt action army surplus rifles! (they got the ban).
1970, We ONLY want to ban small American handguns. Rifles will not be affected!
1976 We ONLY want to ban ALL handguns! Rifles will not be affected!
1981, Actress Lee Grant on Good Morning America screams and pokes holes in the air with her finger...”THE NRA IS A RIFLE ORGANIZATION! THEY SHOULD GIVE UP THEIR HANDGUNS AND THEY CAN KEEP THEIR RIFLES!”
1984, They came for the rifles.
Gun owners know they are always up against a stacked deck.


10 posted on 03/09/2023 7:18:32 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (“No man’s life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session.”)
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To: VictimsRightsPro2a

HOW NAZI GERMANY DID IT!

The Weimar Republic’s well-intentioned gun registry became a tool for evil.

The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here. The same arguments for and against were made in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration. Law-abiding persons complied with the law, but the Communists and Nazis committing acts of political violence did not.

In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed. They were written by Werner Best, a future Gestapo official. In reaction to such threats, the government authorized the registration of all firearms and the confiscation thereof, if required for “public safety.” The interior minister warned that the records must not fall into the hands of any extremist group.

In 1933, the ultimate extremist group, led by Adolf Hitler, seized power and used the records to identify, disarm, and attack political opponents and Jews. Constitutional rights were suspended, and mass searches for and seizures of guns and dissident publications ensued. Police revoked gun licenses of Social Democrats and others who were not “politically reliable.

During the five years of repression that followed, society was “cleansed” by the National Socialist regime. Undesirables were placed in camps where labor made them “free,” and normal rights of citizenship were taken from Jews. The Gestapo banned independent gun clubs and arrested their leaders. Gestapo counsel Werner Best issued a directive to the police forbidding issuance of firearm permits to Jews.

In 1938, Hitler signed a new Gun Control Act. Now that many “enemies of the state” had been removed from society, some restrictions could be slightly liberalized, especially for Nazi Party members. But Jews were prohibited from working in the firearms industry, and .22 caliber hollow-point ammunition was banned.

The time had come to launch a decisive blow to the Jewish community, to render it defenseless so that its “ill-gotten” property could be redistributed as an entitlement to the German “Volk.” The German Jews were ordered to surrender all their weapons, and the police had the records on all who had registered them. Even those who gave up their weapons voluntarily were turned over to the Gestapo.

This took place in the weeks before what became known as the Night of the Broken Glass, or Kristallnacht, occurred in November 1938. That the Jews were disarmed before it, minimizing any risk of resistance, is the strongest evidence that the pogrom was planned in advance. An incident was needed to justify unleashing the attack.

That incident would be the shooting of a German diplomat in Paris by a teenage Polish Jew. Hitler directed propaganda minister Josef Goebbels to orchestrate the Night of the Broken Glass. This massive operation, allegedly conducted as a search for weapons, entailed the ransacking of homes and businesses, and the arson of synagogues.

SS chief Heinrich Himmler decreed that 20 years be served in a concentration camp by any Jew possessing a firearm. Rusty revolvers and bayonets from the Great War were confiscated from Jewish veterans who had served with distinction. Twenty thousand Jewish men were thrown into concentration camps, and had to pay ransoms to get released.

The U.S. media covered the above events. And when France fell to Nazi invasion in 1940, the New York Times reported that the French were deprived of rights such as free speech and firearm possession just as the Germans had been. Frenchmen who failed to surrender their firearms within 24 hours were subject to the death penalty.

No wonder that in 1941, just days before the Pearl Harbor attack, Congress reaffirmed Second Amendment rights and prohibited gun registration. In 1968, bills to register guns were debated, with opponents recalling the Nazi experience and supporters denying that the Nazis ever used registration records to confiscate guns. The bills were defeated, as every such proposal has been ever since, including recent “universal background check” bills.

As in Weimar Germany, some well-meaning people today advocate severe restrictions, including bans and registration, on gun ownership by law-abiding persons. Such proponents are in no sense “Nazis,” any more than were the Weimar officials who promoted similar restrictions. And it would be a travesty to compare today’s situation to the horrors of Nazi Germany.

Still, as history teaches, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.


11 posted on 03/09/2023 7:24:56 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (“No man’s life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session.”)
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12 posted on 03/09/2023 8:21:59 AM PST by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: VictimsRightsPro2a

I’ll start worrying about losing my CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to arm myself once Mother Government disarms all the FELONS out there with guns.

And you know that’s NEVER going to happen. So, keep your powder dry and aim small, miss small. ;)


13 posted on 03/09/2023 8:37:00 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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14 posted on 03/09/2023 8:39:26 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have, 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set. )
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15 posted on 03/09/2023 8:41:29 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: VictimsRightsPro2a

Democrats are releasing criminals in hopes of more gun crimes, to help their treasoness arguments.


16 posted on 03/09/2023 8:44:50 AM PST by aimhigh (THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
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To: alloysteel

“And to have their Social Security number tattooed somewhere on their bodies, so they may be identified from among the fallen later on.”

Huh, what?


17 posted on 03/09/2023 11:09:28 AM PST by unlearner (RIP America. July 4, 1776 - December 13, 2022. )
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To: VictimsRightsPro2a

Bad Laws & Phony Surveys don’t change a constitutional right.


18 posted on 03/09/2023 6:02:31 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> --- )
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To: ozarker

“I cannot understand how taking away my guns and leaving me defenseless will make anyone else safer.”

The left cares nothing about safety. They merely use this as an excuse to push gun control when their real intent is to purposely disarm a certain segment of this country and only a certain segment. Modern day(key words) gun control dispproportionately impacts mostly Republican leaning voters and Democrats know this. That is why they push it incesantly. They want their enemies disarmed so they can engage a “Night of the Broken Glass” type event against them.

“It is largely young black and hispanic males killing other black and hispanic males.”

That is the irony of the left’s clamering for gun control. People who typically are the base of the DNC are overwhelmingly responsible for many of the murders and violence purpetrated by the use of firearms, yet after a murder the 1st thing leftist politicians do is run to the podium and start denouncing “gun culture” which is nothing more than a dog whistle against mostly white rural America who had nothing to do with the crime to begin with. See my post above in the 2nd paragraph again for why they do that.


19 posted on 03/10/2023 4:24:22 PM PST by MachIV
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