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New Tech Transforms Sea Water Into Hydrogen Fuel for Cars
The Epoch Times ^ | April 14, 2023 | Naveen Athrappully

Posted on 04/14/2023 9:52:05 AM PDT by Perseverando

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To: rightwingcrazy
I see an implicit argument for mass adoption of nuclear power plants.

That's sane, rational, and logical.

Therefore, Leftists oppose it.

21 posted on 04/14/2023 10:03:44 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: PIF
New Tech Transforms Sea Water Into Hydrogen Fuel for Cars; This miracle system produces more energy than it uses or perpetual motion discovered.

It looks like those owning beach front property, a hose and a bucket will be the next billionaires. LOL!

22 posted on 04/14/2023 10:04:04 AM PDT by Perseverando (Antifa, BLM, LGBTQs, RINOs, Islamonazis, Marxists, Commucrats: It's a Godlessness disorder!)
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To: rightwingcrazy

Shhhh! You’re not supposed to notice that, or ask questions about it!


23 posted on 04/14/2023 10:04:49 AM PDT by FrankRizzo890
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To: Perseverando

What’s the efficiency of the end to end system and how does that compare to the efficiency to taking oil from the ground refining it into gasoline and delivering it at the gas pump?


24 posted on 04/14/2023 10:05:14 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA ("How did you go bankrupt?" Bill asked. "Two ways," Mike said. "Gradually and then suddenly." )
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To: Perseverando

Soo, THIS is OK, but desalinization isn’t. OK, got it.


25 posted on 04/14/2023 10:05:14 AM PDT by FrankRizzo890
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To: Perseverando

This assumes the allowing Americans the freedom to travel outside their neighborhood doesn’t violate the Deep State plan....


26 posted on 04/14/2023 10:08:28 AM PDT by G Larry ( DEI = Division + Erroneous Indoctrination)
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To: dfwgator

They’d have all of the salt 🧂🧂🧂 they’d ever need!!


27 posted on 04/14/2023 10:09:32 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: Perseverando

In the last two months, I have seen like 25 articles or TV reports on new miracle technologies that will help replace carbon based energy.

All of it is pie in the sky political propaganda.


28 posted on 04/14/2023 10:09:53 AM PDT by zeestephen (43,000)
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To: LibWhacker

If they only had cells huh some air lines are testing hydrogen fuel zero problems.

EV junk yards are the future France has a huge one.


29 posted on 04/14/2023 10:10:06 AM PDT by Vaduz (....)
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To: Seruzawa
A lot more than you get out of it I’ll bet. This is the Achilles heel of most of these “alternatives”. Even if it is close, it might be worth it. Don't think of it so much as new energy, but as energy storage.

Of course, untold billions are being apent to warp our culture and economy for a non-problem.
30 posted on 04/14/2023 10:12:36 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you can’t say something nice . . . say the Rosary." [Red Badger])
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To: Perseverando
The article conveniently omits use of the words "economical" or "cost."

It's no earth-shattering discovery that hydrogen can be separated from water (it is, after all, H2O), the crux of the biscuit is, how much does it cost, and how much pollution does the process create.

Thew article does say, the method "...extracts hydrogen from the ocean by funneling seawater through a double membrane system, using electricity...." And since the single greatest source of power generation in the US is coal-fired steam plants, that makes this coal and/or steam-powered hydrogen.

The only relevant questions, questions that the article goes nowhere near addressing, is "How much?" How much does it cost, and how much pollution is created in its name.

31 posted on 04/14/2023 10:13:19 AM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: Perseverando

No matter how you make the hydrogen you still have to contain it in a heavy pressure vessel

That pressure vessel constitutes a danger of fire and explosion in a motor vehicle accident.

Compared to a gasoline vehicle the BTU/lbs hydrogen vehicle is far better which means more miles/lbs.

The hydrogen car is going to have a greater dry curb weight because of the heavy fuel container.

My Opinion is that any electric car starts with a disadvantage simply because of the weight of the fuel storage container.

Battery or pressure vessel; the extra weight is an unnecessary burden when gasoline is easily available and cheap.


32 posted on 04/14/2023 10:14:51 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: PIF

Conservation of energy be damned!


33 posted on 04/14/2023 10:16:14 AM PDT by gr8eman (Stupid should hurt!!)
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To: Dr. Sivana

True. But if you have to keep burning coal to get hydrogen you haven’t gained anything.


34 posted on 04/14/2023 10:18:33 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: rightwingcrazy

on subs we use nuclear power to split the atom using electricity.


35 posted on 04/14/2023 10:20:48 AM PDT by mylife (I was a sort of country boy, a cockeyed optimist, wrapped in international intrigue and espionage)
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To: Perseverando

It’s not the generation of hydrogen which is the issue.

It’s the storage of it that poses a technical challenge, i.e. cost vs. safety.

https://caltech-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/main/images/Hindenburg_burning_YEqsvY4.2e16d0ba.fill-1600x810-c100.jpg

There are technical solutions to make it safe, but those make the cost skyrocket.

To date, regardless of the sales pitch, nothing beats gasoline and diesel specific to cost, safety, practicality (storage, start time, ambient temperature range, pollution) and energy density.

Theoretically, a turbine would be far better than a conventional Otto engine. Turbines are factually more efficient.

But even there you have a lot of problems, exhaust heat, start up time, the engine doesn’t like to vary it’s speed or run slow but would rather just go balls to the wall all the time (turbines like to run close to their limit).

All solutions other than the diesel or otto engine carry with them some serious drawbacks which make them less desirable overall, IMHO.

Sadly, the diesel which is a bit more efficient than the otto engine has gotten a bad rap, but is actually extremely clean today. In fact, if you look at the efficiency of most of these otto and diesel engines and how clean they have become, it’s actually quite impressive.

But, someone decided to label a lithium battery powered car with the green tree goddess seal of approval. Electric = green, and because folks today are like Pavlov’s dog, conditioned to drool as soon as they hear the term green, there is no more debate, even though these cars come with their own laundry list of environmental and even social issues.


36 posted on 04/14/2023 10:20:52 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Perseverando

Kill two birds with one stone by transforming the rising sea water from “da global crisis” into fuel for our hydrogen cars. Doesn’t get any better than that and Algore and Obonzo won’t have to worry about their mansions going Atlantis on them.


37 posted on 04/14/2023 10:21:47 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (It's time to indict the Dung Beetle Party's token affirmative action chubby cheeked shyster lawyer.)
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To: fwdude

correct


38 posted on 04/14/2023 10:23:40 AM PDT by mylife (I was a sort of country boy, a cockeyed optimist, wrapped in international intrigue and espionage)
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To: mylife

The atomic reaction is self-powered.


39 posted on 04/14/2023 10:23:57 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: rightwingcrazy

” Where does the electricity come from? “

Good intentions and gullibility.

And the problem of storing the world’s smallest atom without leakage is managed by good old magic.

And love. Lots of love.

But mostly Moral Superiority.


40 posted on 04/14/2023 10:26:24 AM PDT by _longranger81
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