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Securing America – Are we witnessing a surrender of American sovereignty?
Center for Security Policy ^ | June 13, 2023 | Frank Gaffeny

Posted on 06/15/2023 8:12:50 AM PDT by Texas Fossil

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To: Texas Fossil

“Securing America – Are we witnessing a surrender of American sovereignty?”

Surrendering America – We have witnessed the surrender of American sovereignty!

There, fixed it


21 posted on 06/15/2023 9:07:26 AM PDT by antidemoncrat (AS )
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To: 4Liberty

Yea indeed, you can’t fight by the rules when the enemy ignores the rules. It’s a recipe for loss every time, and that is what we are experiencing; loss after loss after loss.


22 posted on 06/15/2023 9:10:14 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: ConservativeInPA

Absolutely, the Marxist Dems have given it away. Their next step is to collapse the Dollar so the Yuan is the WRC, then they will feel successful.


23 posted on 06/15/2023 10:01:49 AM PDT by chopperk ( C)
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To: dfwgator

“The problem is, we never joined The League Of Nations, and then the propaganda basically said that our not joining the League was one of the main reasons WWII started.

So by the time the war was in full swing, the majority of Americans were on board with The United Nations.”

So, did the propaganda push come from pro-UN goons that were around back then? If so, it would figure. This evil isn’t anything new. It has been around for a looong time. I need to study up on that part of history. They sure as hell didn’t teach it when I was in school.

I wonder what the USA will be nudged, pushed and shoved into “joining up with” as a result of the next world war. I think the Bible tried to warn us re: what.


24 posted on 06/15/2023 10:14:55 AM PDT by Danie_2023
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To: Robert DeLong

I agree, but I have a feeling we could never play by their rules. I don’t think we have come to terms with the rules they’re playing by.

I highly suspect our opponents are making very serious threats against our key players.

It’s not in our nature to play by those rules.


25 posted on 06/15/2023 10:40:08 AM PDT by Sarcazmo (I live by the Golden Rule. As applied by others; I'm not selfish.)
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To: Sarcazmo

We better learn, and quickly.


26 posted on 06/15/2023 10:45:15 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Agree


27 posted on 06/15/2023 12:13:17 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born but a State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: Robert DeLong

We MUST make that happen.


28 posted on 06/15/2023 12:14:21 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born but a State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
More than 100 years have passed since he left office. While I agree with you in part, there has been plenty of politician's since then who have allowed what he did to this nation to continue without any pushback whatsoever.

So it is somewhat disingenuous to lay all of the blame at Woody's feet. The Democrat Party has always harbored a hatred of this nation, and embraced the communist structure, because they could use the rhetoric to create divisions. The main reason for that was to secure power for themselves. The poor & the assumed support they got from Democrat Party was a well calculated scam to target them to align with the Democrat Party. They realized that there will always be more lower & middle class citizens in any nation, including this nation. The support they enjoyed from these two classes allowed them obtain & grow their personal powers. It also helped them hold on to that power during & after the great depression for many decades afterwards. The Republicans retained the power of the presidency, because they seemed to grow the economy, which in turn gave more resources to the Democrat Party to dole out to their supporters.

I think JFK created a situation that really provided more power to the Democrat Party, when he gave federal government workers the ability to unionize. This allowed the Democrats to place people in positions of government work that were loyal to the Democrat Party, and they held positions of power in their own right that allowed them to thwart any Republican Administration.

In 1947 the CIA was created that not only had immense powers, but also had the power to do things with little to no oversight. JFK, I believe, realized what a mistake he made with the Unionization of the federal government, and was looking into how he could rein in the CIA. Were they the ones who took him out as a result? Hard to say, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me.

One thing is for certain, and that is the government has been seized by people whose only concern is grabbing & maintaining control that allows them to steal from the treasury, and additionally enrich themselves with their insider information in the stock market. Money equates to more power to wield. This affords them to ensure protection from the very laws they put in place to lord upon the citizens as needed, or just to target citizens who disagree with them, while insulating themselves. In short, it's nothing but a tyrannical from of control by a criminal enterprise, and it has been a Democrat Party goal for decades upon decades.

29 posted on 06/15/2023 1:56:17 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Texas Fossil

The problem with the New World Order is that it is not a conspiracy theory.


30 posted on 06/15/2023 5:08:00 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: GingisK

True That. It is real. And a real problem.


31 posted on 06/15/2023 6:11:01 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not where you were born but a State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: Robert DeLong
there has been plenty of politician's since then who have allowed what he did to this nation to continue without any pushback whatsoever.

Accurate.

Does not remove his responsibility.

32 posted on 06/15/2023 6:39:58 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Follow the money. Even if it leads you to someplace horrible it will still lead you to the truth.)
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How about the responsibility of the citizens, are they blameless in your opinion?

You see it's the responsibility of the citizens to be active participants in the success of the nation by the decision process used to select our leaders. From my observation, the choosing of our leaders has been a personality contest when picking those leaders. Instead of paying attention to their promises & comparing the results realized.

In other words, we get what we deserve, instead of what we need.

33 posted on 06/15/2023 7:11:31 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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How about the responsibility of the citizens, are they blameless in your opinion?

Nope.

Still does not remove his responsibility.

34 posted on 06/15/2023 7:29:05 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Follow the money. Even if it leads you to someplace horrible it will still lead you to the truth.)
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I never said it did, but I did say all the blame cannot be laid at Woddy's feet. There is plenty of blame to go around, including our own blame. Time to quit pointing at others while ignoring our own blame.

Our biggest blame is remaining silent.

35 posted on 06/15/2023 7:48:11 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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I never said it did, but I did say all the blame cannot be laid at Woddy's feet.

But I never said it did.

I gave him 60% responsibility.

Time to quit pointing at others while ignoring our own blame.

That is something that I usually hear from people who are trying to deflect the blame from the person who did the deed.

I am sorry that the fact that Wilson was responsible for laying the foundation that has lead to a major loss of American sovereignty bothers you. I don't know why and frankly don't care.

I do know that it is true. And I do know that people ignore it for some reason.

Which is why I bring it up.

36 posted on 06/15/2023 8:09:36 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Follow the money. Even if it leads you to someplace horrible it will still lead you to the truth.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Andrew Jackson ignored courts and laws and used his power to ethnically cleanse lands that he also sometimes happened to have a financial interest in.

Teddy Roosevelt threatened American citizens with military intervention and abused his power in one way or another every day of his presidency.

John Adams and Abraham Lincoln suspended habeas corpus, the latter without any congressional approval.

The list goes on & on, and the ignoring of these abuses have all paid a toll upon this Republic.

I am not trying to minimalize the damage Woody has done, merely emphasizing that the damage was due to lots of abuses to the constitution throughout our history.

The cumulative affect of those abuses have had disastrous ramifications by providing encouragement for future abuses to subvert the constitution to achieve desired results.

Our own forefathers who developed this nation knew it was riddled with flaws, that really only worked as long as the people maintained a belief in the Lord or a higher-being who was the creator. Sans that belief, it became a human creation which would eventually fall due to human imperfection, if divine guidance was ignored and not sought by the people & especially the leaders.

Your placing an arbitrary percentage of responsibility means nothing. It's your opinion, that most likely was developed & nurtured by the opinion of others. Woody certainly had a hand in it. But there were many hands even in his decisions, including the hands of the citizens themselves. He could not have enacted his changes, if he was the only one that believed in his decisions.

That is something that I usually hear from people who are trying to deflect the blame from the person who did the deed.

Again, that is the conviction you hold that your belief is the only correct belief to have.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it is really a shallow belief that contains some truth to it, but is a woefully inaccurate & inadequate examination on several levels.

First being that a president is incapable doing anything without the consensus of other politicians within the other two branches of government. Too many times they purposely abrogate their responsibilities completely, in order to lay blame else where. Secondly citizens have also ignored their responsibilities by remaining silent. Lastly, the press has not only ignore their responsibilities to inform the public, they have intentionally misinformed the public to promote one party over another.

Even I admit that I have not fully examined or provided things such as biases for example.

It is complex, not simple at all. Laying a percentage of blame in one place is just not even a close representation of truth. Partial truth for sure, but not impartial truth.

It is also not an exercise to deflect responsibility either. It's an honest attempt to determine if the blame lays solely at the feet of one person or not. My conclusion is that the blame does not lay at the feet of a lone individual. It lays at the feet of many people.

37 posted on 06/15/2023 9:45:23 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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