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Ukraine plays “Light Brigade” with British advice
Asian Times ^ | 10 June 23 | David Goldman

Posted on 06/15/2023 4:19:06 PM PDT by delta7

American and European military observers in Ukraine described the Ukraine Army’s efforts of the past two days as a “suicide mission” that violated the basic rules of military tactics. “If you want to conduct an offensive and you have a dozen brigades and a few dozen tanks, you concentrate them and try to break through. The Ukrainians have been running around in five different directions,” complained a senior European officer.

“We tried to tell them to stop these piecemeal tactics, define a main thrust with proper infantry support and then do what they can,” the officer added.

They were trained by the British and they’re playing Light Brigade,” the officer added, referring to the 1854 disaster at the Battle of Balaclava when misreported orders sent British cavalry into massed cannon fire.

Ukraine’s tanks charged directly into minefields without deploying mine-clearing vehicles first, contributing to the loss of 38 tanks during the night of June 8, including numerous of the newly delivered Leopard II tanks.

“A couple of Ukrainians tried to pull off a Guderian,” another military source said, referring to German General Heinz Guderian’s breakthrough at Sedan during the 1940 Battle of France. “But Guderian had 3,000 tanks, and these idiots have just gambled away the 30 they have.”

And without air superiority,” the source added, “it’s a suicide mission.”

Russia’s KA-50 and KA-52 attack helicopters each carry enough missiles to kill 20 tanks, and can do so at a standoff distance of 10 kilometers. Ukrainian air defenses have been degraded by repeated attacks with cheap drones that force the Ukrainians to expend their limited inventory of S-300 and Patriot missiles. Of the 14 Leopard tanks Germany has provided to Ukraine, 3 have been destroyed, along with several of the Leopards provided by Poland.

The Ukrainian high command’s principle military advice has come from British officers embedded at headquarters in Kiev.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: davidgoldman; davidpgoldman; invasion; larouche; lyndonlarouche; russia; ukraine; war
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Hence the term now used “ Bradley Square” for the huge Ukie losses in the failed Zaporozhye “ offensive”…..the world is watching.

Why is the West so intent on committing suicide.

1 posted on 06/15/2023 4:19:06 PM PDT by delta7
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To: delta7

I am just a layman who enjoys military history . I found the Ukrainians attacking along the entire front baffling. There is a German term for the decisive point where your offensive fist should be concentrated. I do not think the UK military advisors would make a mistake of launching these piecemeal attacks.


2 posted on 06/15/2023 4:24:04 PM PDT by C19fan
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To: delta7
Interesting video by Mark Felton about the thousands of Ukraine SS members that Britain took in after WWII ended.

Ukrainian SS In Britain - Postwar SS-Galizien Division Refugees

3 posted on 06/15/2023 4:24:22 PM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne )
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To: delta7

A prompt Russian victory may SAVE the West from committing suicide.


4 posted on 06/15/2023 4:24:57 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Make the GOP illegal - everything else will follow)
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To: delta7

“… Why is the West so intent on committing suicide.”
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Because it’s part of THE PLAN.


5 posted on 06/15/2023 4:25:06 PM PDT by House Atreides (I’m now ULTRA-MAGA. -PRO-MAX’)
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To: delta7

Here is my assessment: Ukraine wants the West to take over the war. The sooner they deplete their forces, the faster they think the US/Nato will come in and take over. I don’t think that is going to happen.


6 posted on 06/15/2023 4:29:10 PM PDT by realcleanguy (quickly things are falling apart, now that the )
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To: delta7

Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die.

(Not though the soldiers knew
Someone had blundered)


Sad


7 posted on 06/15/2023 4:30:03 PM PDT by CapandBall
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To: delta7
Ukraine’s tanks charged directly into minefields without deploying mine-clearing vehicles first, contributing to the loss of 38 tanks during the night of June 8, including numerous of the newly delivered Leopard II tanks.

What a disaster. The German military, or what's left of it, is fuming how their tanks were wasted.

8 posted on 06/15/2023 4:30:32 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: delta7

“We who are about to die salute you”


9 posted on 06/15/2023 4:31:16 PM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: delta7

The price for Western weapons is taking a beating, with those from Russia and Iran increasing. Take that, MIC!


10 posted on 06/15/2023 4:38:08 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: realcleanguy

” wants the West to take over the war”

I think you have a handle on it.

How far this is going to go is the question.

We may not like the answer.


11 posted on 06/15/2023 4:38:09 PM PDT by 1of10 (be vigilant , be strong, be safe, be 1 of 10 .)
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To: mass55th

How Mark Felton finds something new every week is amazing.


12 posted on 06/15/2023 4:40:41 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: realcleanguy
I agree. No country can win a war with a couple dozen tanks. Germany gave them 14 Leopards? Not enough. Pointless. So ... lose them quickly. Botch the whole thing. Hey, NATO, if you want Russia to lose, you better take over and do this yourselves ...

Part of the plan.

And I think the odds of nukes being used is increasing.

13 posted on 06/15/2023 4:43:14 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (“You want it one way, but it's the other way”)
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To: delta7

Unfortunately, I think everyone saw this coming. NATO tactics require air superiority.

Expect F-16 and F-18’s in large numbers at Ukraine next, and Abrams tanks.

It gets more dangerous for the region by the day.


14 posted on 06/15/2023 4:51:29 PM PDT by Pete Dovgan
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Expect F-16 and F-18’s in large numbers at Ukraine next

Who's going to fly them? Ukraine doesn't have any trained pilots left. They've all been killed, including the Ghost of Kiev. And a US air force pilot will refuse to fly missions in a combat environment without air superiority, even if Victoria Nuland threatens them with treason.

15 posted on 06/15/2023 4:57:53 PM PDT by Right_Wing_Madman
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

Well, they have been training Ukrainian pilots for months.
Lots of them.

They will be young and inexperienced, but there will probably a lot of them. You figure 600-1000 combat ready fighters.

More dead, draws out the killing and more everyday people die. Who is really going to win this war, death?


16 posted on 06/15/2023 5:04:50 PM PDT by Pete Dovgan
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To: Right_Wing_Madman

What a disaster. The German military, or what’s left of it, is fuming how their tanks were wasted.
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Add to that Polish, the Poles donated Leopard 2’s also, but the much more valuable ones were lost, the minesweeping Leopards, the Ukies have only three left….it is safe to assume not much of a counter offensive will occur without mine clearing equipment.

Perhaps the strangest fact is the Ukies were guided by Western intelligence and satellite data directing WHERE to attack….sources state they ( western intel) fubared not realizing the density and breadth of Vlad’s mines….

It almost seems the collective West is setting up the Ukies for failure.


17 posted on 06/15/2023 5:09:16 PM PDT by delta7
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To: Tijeras_Slim
"How Mark Felton finds something new every week is amazing."

I hadn't known about him until someone on FR posted one of his videos. That was a while ago. I've been making my way through all of his YouTube videos a little at a time, along with YouTube videos from people dealing with other periods of history.

18 posted on 06/15/2023 5:10:47 PM PDT by mass55th ("Courage is being scared to death, but saddling up anyway." ~~ John Wayne )
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To: delta7
Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
“Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!” he said.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred…

II
“Forward, the Light Brigade!”
Was there a man dismayed?
Not though the soldier knew
Someone had blundered.
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die.
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

III
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of hell
Rode the six hundred.

IV
Flashed all their sabres bare,
Flashed as they turned in air
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
All the world wondered.
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right through the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reeled from the sabre stroke
Shattered and sundered.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

V
Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volleyed and thundered;
Stormed at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell.
They that had fought so well
Came through the jaws of Death,
Back from the mouth of hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.

VI
When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wondered.
Honour the charge they made!
Honour the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred…
19 posted on 06/15/2023 5:12:42 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: mass55th

The History Guy is good too.


20 posted on 06/15/2023 5:12:46 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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