Posted on 08/13/2023 9:35:49 AM PDT by Macho MAGA Man
“ you can’t allow anyone to examine the inner workings of the actual voting machines without a court order.”
You think the process of counting votes should be secret and kept from the people?
We’re allowed to vote but not know how votes are counted or see records of the vote?
I have a photo I took of my tv on voting night that shows Georgia at 12:40 am. 99% of the votes are cast. They still have not called Georgia for a winner. Trump is leading Biden 51% to 48% , by 118,000 votes. Then they shut it down.
Ballots usually have a 'write in' block.
For a NeverTrumper, it’s no surprise to see your pearl clutching act.
that’s why we have poll watchers and people from both parties observing the counting, at least we are supposed to have that.
You simply can’t allow anyone without a court order, especially lawyers and other people from one candidate examining the machines themselves, flip the scenario around and I guarantee you, FR would be filled up with complaints about allowing democrats to examine the machines immediately after the election when the outcome could still be undecided.
You simply can’t allow anyone without a court order, especially lawyers and other people from one candidate examining the machines themselves, flip the scenario around and I guarantee you, FR would be filled up with complaints about allowing democrats to examine the machines immediately after the election when the outcome could still be undecided.
Yes.
Well, poll watchers on the R side were kicked out and not allowed to witness counting and other activities.
“This is unprecedented in history. It going to take a miracle for Trump to escape getting found not-guilty in all he’s being charged with. If found guilty what should the response from the public be?”
I really don’t think that the Dims have thought that through.
Hate to break it to you, but there are no rules now. Whether Trump, et al, did anything wrong here doesn’t matter. They could have done everything right abd would still be charged. Rhe Dems, we know, did things wrong and will never be held responsible. Game over or Game on. That’s where we are.
And what exactly is wrong with examining the voting machines to insure they are counting accurately? If the ballots are hand counted we insure that the counter can count, don’t we?
Then that’s the legal case that could be fought, not this case immediately after the election.
Imagine if the situation was reversed and Democrats did the exact same thing, everyone on FR would be screaming about it and rightfully so.
The closest thing to this was how the Gore Campaign was acting in 2000 over “hanging chads”, Republicans fought it tooth and nail and were correct to do so.
Just imagine how much different things would be right now if Trump followed what Al Gore did in 2000, once his appeals were exhausted, Gore conceded and moved on.
If Trump would have done the same thing, 1/6 would not have happened, a good number of Trump supporters would not be in jail right now, many others have had their life ruined.
This case would not be happening and maybe some of the other cases.
Assuming Trump is the nominee, the entire election will be about these cases and the actions of Trump after the 2020 election and not the disaster that Biden has been.
It would improve Republicans chance of winning if we were talking about the war in Ukraine, inflation, high gas prices, etc., instead of stolen elections.
A simple law would do the trick.
It's an inalienable right. And you can't have a constitutional right to a republican form of government without reasonable access and auditing to all interested parties.
Without reasonable access for audits, our elections are a steaming pile.
Fair election being the center of attention for an election? How terrible.
You have a huge blind spot.
BTW, most folks can talk, chew gum and cover numerous issues all at the same time.
Trump was given permission after the election to examine the machines.
Trump absolutely 100% did NOT do anything wrong here, if anyone did something wrong it was the election administrator who gave Trump permission who “MAY” not have been authorized to do so.
Not sure how text messages and emails could possibly prove someone hacked into a voting machine.
Those communications would likely show an interest in examining voting machine data which is expected by someone trying to prove voter fraud. They will then say Trump had a motive but having a motive is not enough.
Thus it doesn’t sound like they have any real evidence of a crime.
Yeah, the DNC did a deal with the GA GOP. I bet they could have put Abrams in power, but used her as a gambit.
Uppity power mad entitled witch.
Get them before they’re banned.
That’s true. Banning books is in vogue right now. It’s happening all over the country.
"Fulton County Prosecutors Have Messages Connecting Trump’s Legal Team to ‘Voting System Breach’ in Coffee County… For Examing Voting Machines"
Regarding so-called state sovereignty that state and federal governments, especially the corrupt media, have been using as an excuse to cover up massive voting fraud in 2020 imo, please consider the following constitutionally enumerated exceptions to state sovereignty concerning voting fraud that continues to be blatantly ignored at the highest levels of government imo.
From related thread...
If Pence and the J6 Congress had upheld their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution by voting to investigate allegations concerning possible violations of the 12th Amendment (electoral vote rules) and Section 2 of the 14th Amendment (14A), that section a penalty for states where ballot box fraud has occurred, then we might have heard even more than we've now found out alleged Georgia voting-related scandal.
Excerpted from 12A:
"The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice- President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate [emphasis added], ..."
Excerpted from 14A:
"Section 2: Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged [emphases added], except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State." [Section 2: Apportionment of Representatives]
"Section 5: The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article."
Regarding the Section 2 penalty, consider the "hair trigger," zero tolerance wording of that clause that screams for the feds to investigate allegations of vote-counting fraud.
"is denied to any"
"or in any way abridged,"
Consider that ballot box tampering effectively weakens the constitutionally enumerated voting power of qualified citizen voters imo.
In fact, if this were a better world, the federal government should be warning the states before every election that the feds will be darkening their doorway to investigate complaints about vote-counting problems.
Patriots need to get ready ASAP to support hopeful Trump 47 by primarying ALL state and federal, lawmakers and executives, except for MTG and Gaetz, for the 2024 primaries.
After all, lawmakers and executives continue to show that they do not have the patriotism and leadership skills necessary to find legislative support for effective remedies for unconstitutional government policies.
Exclusive: Marjorie Taylor Greene ‘Dumbfounded’ GOP Colleagues Will Not Call for Biden’s Impeachment! (6.10.23)
In fact, consider that, since one of the very few powers that the states have expressly constitutionally given to the big, bad federal government to dictate peacetime domestic policy is to run the US Mail Service (most federal domestic policy actually based on stolen state powers imo), the worst problem that the country would otherwise be looking at with a new Congress of Trump-supporting freshman lawmakers is arguably a delay with mail delivery.
"Article I, Section 8, Clause 7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads;"
"From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added]." —United States v. Butler, 1936.
Trump can endorse candidates from lists that patriots who respect the federal government's constitutionally limited powers provide for him, as long as candidates are not incumbents, candidates also promising to repeal the 16th (direct taxes) and 17th (popular voting for federal senators) Amendments after they win office.
The definition of insanity is reelecting your beloved career state and federal lawmakers and executives over and over again, expecting those same politicians to find remedies for unconstitutional government policies every time.
Patriots, let's not allow ourselves to be fooled for third time in 2024 by the corrupt, constitutionally undefined political parties that have pirated control of state and federal governments.
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