Posted on 08/14/2023 5:11:56 AM PDT by ChicagoConservative27
Just drop the carbs. Weight sheds, blood sugar goes inser control, med needs deminish, its amazing. I took off 20 lbs in July doing exactly that. I ate well consisting of meat, veg and fruit. During the heatwave fruit was a must. Insulin needs reduced to 20 units per day compared to my usuall 100 units a day.
From time to time I ate some pancakes for breakfast, but they weren’t boxed or frozen, and I eliminated sugar from the batter.
And yes, I do have to get my head into the right space, no it’s not always easy but the results are worth the trouble.
Prediabetes. That’s like saying partially pregnant. I feel there is a misnomer about that word in that if they can’t determine a safe range for sugar levels for everyone, and they can’t, then how can you almost be there.
According to the Mayo, prediabetes means you have a higher than normal blood sugar level. It’s not high enough to be considered type 2 diabetes yet. What’s that number? Does everyone have the same temperature at normal of 98.6? They’re playing with averages. My current heart rate average is 32 and during surgery I have dropped to 26. Got their attention in the OR.
Some people can operate below 80 on the sugar scale, some well under that. Some can live workable over 400 also. So maybe you aren’t pre-diabetic. Maybe you’re normal...for you. And the adjustment of starvation is dropping you below an optimal performance by your body by cutting off nutrients and sources of your digestive system causing your body in time to store fat to make up for the energy taken away. That is the real fallout of insulin resistance.
If you can’t cure diabetes, and only treat the symptoms, then it is going to catch up with you sooner or later. I know a lot of people while working within my job that used starvation diets, or keto, to include physicians. They found out about them when they took that jog in the evening after work and couldn’t finish the course. Some even had to get a ride back. One of my doctors did that. Lot of confusion.
wy69
Salmon, tuna.
Not true. Thousands of people on low-carb/intermittent fasting diets have attained non-diabetic blood glucose numbers, decreased fasting insulin, gotten off of metformin and other diabetic medications, gotten off of (T2 diabetics) or drastically reduced and stabilized their injected insulin (T1 diabetics).
“Not true. Thousands of people on low-carb/intermittent fasting diets have attained non-diabetic blood glucose numbers, decreased fasting insulin, gotten off of metformin and other diabetic medications, gotten off of (T2 diabetics) or drastically reduced and stabilized their injected insulin (T1 diabetics).
It is not possible to cure diabetes, but various strategies can help you keep glucose levels within your target range and reduce the risk of complications. Ways of doing this include diet, exercise, and, in some cases, medication.
https://www.healthline.com/health/type-2-diabetes-reversible#fa-qs
Another problem with the theories of diabetes is the misuse of the word remission. Remission doesn’t mean removed, just treated to get rid of the illness on a temporary basis. The illness is still there but the act of coming back also exists.
Weight loss is a battle between the mind and body to make the whole think it is going to happen. And the body is a remarkable thing, it will adjust. No matter what the quantity is you consume, your body is going to make every effort to take what you need and if it is being starved to do that, it will store tissue for energy reserves. Thus the endless pattern of adjustment continues. You cut back on food, the body adjusts, you cut the amount, the body adjusts... And at some point you won’t be able to consume enough to do what you wish and/or you have a heart attack on that jog around the park.
It is also an inconvenience. Going out to a meal is not only limited, but can be distasteful. If everyone wants to go to fast food, can you eat that Big Mac that has over 500 calories? Not and stay on that diet. And even the most dedicated consider anything uncomfortable to be getting old. And the body will adjust and keep a whole lot of calories off that meal that you now have to work off.
Remission is acheiveable, but removing the illness has not been discovered. So whether you use medication and live a a little more of what you want, or you use dietary starvation and be regimented more to achieve a longer life span, then that’s your choice. Both are limiting. But that illness leads to others whether you want it to or not. People don’t die from Diabetes. They die from heart, kidney, liver, renal failure and in the early days, dehydration from a lack of fluids to include normal body fluids.
You can’t beat it, you can’t run away from it, but you can control it for a while. But it comes back like other illness like cancer. And illness, genes, and age are major reasons.
wy69
T2 can be reversed with fasting and low carb whole food eating per Dr. Jason Fung “The Diabetes Code”.
Which I have done. I lost 200lbs and my A1C was 5.2 at the last check. But I still have an underfunctioning thyroid and still very insulin insensitive. All things my PCP and I are working on.
T1 can’t be cured or reversed. T2 can. They aren’t the same disease. Treating the same is what has made the T2 spiral of death so common place.
Treating the insulin insensitive with more and more insulin just causes the disease to get worse.
Sorry, but we will have to agree to disagree. I see absolutely no reason why I cannot keep up this way of eating indefinitely. Now, T1 is a different animal...that “is” there for life...but carnivore can improve and extend the lives of even T1 diabetics. But the available evidence is that T2 can be held in remission indefinitely.
Doing things different from the norm is not a significant barrier for me...I have always done that. One of my favorite memes is “why do you care what other people think”.
“All things my PCP and I are working on.”
And you always will according to every specialty people I can find. It never goes away. Oh, it will lurk in you until you don’t stay up with an eating and exercise program or if you get sick with certain illness and exercise becomes a problem.
Everyone I know started out on diet control for early stage diabetes type 2. And it just progressed. I’m 6.2 on my AIC. But it is being handled with medication and the endo guy says going into a permanent unmedicated state is not possible with the other illness I have attached to it in progress. Plus, I’m a senior citizen well over the retiring age of, now, 70, and the commitment to the type of exercise needed to back my intake, as small as it is, would probably kill me.
You are very fortunate to one of the few that have put diabetes in remission.
“Despite the growing evidence that reversal is possible, achieving reversal is not commonly encouraged by our healthcare system. In fact, reversal is not a goal in diabetes guidelines. Specific interventions aimed at reversal all have one thing in common: they are not first-line standard of care. This is important, because there is evidence suggesting that standard of care does not lead to diabetes reversal. This raises the question of whether standard of care is really the best practice. A large study by Kaiser Permanente found a diabetes remission rate of 0.23% with standard of care [10]. The status quo approach will not reverse the health crisis of diabetes.
What they are saying there is that less than a quarter of a person actually had a remission of type 2 diabetes no matter what they used. And the only three things available are medication, like I use, diet, which most have used at least in early stage and you use, and bariatric surgery which many cannot have, or forced diet. I’m one of those. I’ve had 7 heart procedures and they won’t put me on the table anymore. Possible heart attack or stroke.
It all catches up. I hope for you a long time down the road.
wy69
You should read that again. What it says is that the current standard of care is a failure. Fasting plus keto is not the standard of care. I’m 62 and use to weigh 450lbs a d still have 100 to go. My keto and fasting group has manyseniors who who have gotten off insulin and other meds.
It can be done. It has been done.
I don't see how Whitney69 could have read this and drawn the conclusions he has. My reading is that low carb is a rousing success compared to "standard of care" approaches.
Diabetic brainfog or they don’t want to give up the carbs. They prefer to have the meds and eat the cake, too.
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