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To: thegagline

This abortion crap is costing us elections and the nation. Take a new outlook. Think about how all that right to life money can go towards helping young discerning couples support kids and have babies instead of millions towards banning abortion. Use the money towards this outlook. The left will continue to abort themselves, even in underground clinics if need me. Put the money where help is needed most and stop losing elections on the abortion issues!


6 posted on 09/17/2023 2:25:39 PM PDT by inchworm (al )
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To: inchworm

agree. there will always be abortions. They will find a person to perform it.


7 posted on 09/17/2023 2:27:23 PM PDT by ronniesgal (The bidens are actually more white trashy than the Clintons, and that's sayin' something)
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To: inchworm
Here is the problem in a nutshell.

Sixty years ago a sexual revolution swept America. It was a function of the Baby Boomers reaching puberty at the same time. By the late 1960s, American sexual behavior was similar to France or Sweden.

The battle over abortion started in states where legislatures, fearing the power of the churches, handed the issue to the people via referendum. The voters spoke, and abortion restrictions fell in state after state via the initiative and referendum mechanisms.

The battle royale was New York state where it had to be fought in the legislature because New York doesn't use the initiative mechanism and only uses the referendum mechanism to ratify bond issues. This was a knock-down drag-out brawl that played out at family dinner tables. The legislature loosened restrictions, and Gov. Rockefeller signed the law. Abortion opponents threatened consequences at the next election but only showed how toothless they were when nothing happened.

The US Supreme Court should have stayed out of it by refusing to grant cert to Roe v. Wade and punting it back to the Texas courts. But having created a national right to abortion, two generations of women came to believe they possessed that right. Men and women were glad to have abortion as a backstop for sexual freedom. Having experienced sexual freedom, people are loathe to give it up, so you need to have a good reason to take away what people perceive to be their right.

The key arguments against abortion are based on strong religious belief. Catholics used to be the largest faith in America, but now Unbelief has replaced them as Number One. Unbelief is also the fastest growing "religion" in America. For many, God the Hairy Thunderer has been replaced by God the Cosmic Muffin. It’s hard to make an effective religious argument when so many have put organized religion aside for a secular or somewhat “spiritual” approach.

To really end abortion, you need to convince people to end sexual freedom, erase the 1960s and return to an earlier frame of morality. That’s a hard sell. Once the cat is out of the bag, as a rule it doesn't want to go back in.

18 posted on 09/17/2023 2:37:01 PM PDT by Publius
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To: inchworm

Agreed
Someone should slyly state “Safe, Legal and Rare” and let the left chew on that. This issue isn’t the issue. It’s all about raising the money. I’m with you. The smart thing is to use the money wisely.
Improvise, Adapt Overcome.


38 posted on 09/17/2023 3:00:13 PM PDT by griswold3 (Truth, Beauty and Goodness )
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To: inchworm

I’m sticking to my old outlook which is do I want to rationalize killing babies when I meet my Maker? Absolutely not.


51 posted on 09/17/2023 3:19:19 PM PDT by skr (Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people. - Proverbs 14:34)
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To: inchworm
This abortion crap is costing us elections and the nation.

 

And there we have it. I knew it wouldn't take long before someone would justify abortions as they cost the GOP some votes.

Well guess what. If the GOP (including Trump) would get solidly on the anti-abortion train and quit trying to negotiate with Democrats, we would actually gain more votes.

Trump is part of the problem. And he can't stand the fact that DeSantis is correct in this abortion fight.

118 posted on 09/17/2023 5:05:48 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (A truth that’s told with bad intent, Beats all the lies you can invent ~ Wm. Blake)
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To: inchworm

Costing elections vs costing lives?

U sir belong with the donkeys


130 posted on 09/17/2023 5:15:51 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: inchworm

That’s a terrible problem with our nation. The pro-abort side seems to be winning here. Florida may have its 6-week ban, and I’m not lifting a finger to overturn it, but the state GOP could lose some legislative seats as a result.

It is a good idea to put that money into encouraging young couples to actually stay together and keep their babies.


132 posted on 09/17/2023 5:17:04 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (FBI out of Florida!)
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To: inchworm
Put the money where help is needed most and stop losing elections on the abortion issues!

It is NOT about winning elections. It is about ending abortion, which is a heinous act. If you don't want pro-life votes, form your own coalition. DON'T tell pro-lifers to compromise and do it your way.
199 posted on 09/17/2023 7:48:48 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("If you can’t say something nice . . . say the Rosary." [Red Badger])
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To: inchworm

Wise words


206 posted on 09/17/2023 8:21:07 PM PDT by bella1
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To: inchworm

Why do you think we’re talking about transgenderism and children.

It’s a new issue to suck the air out of the Democrats abortion mania.

When we talk about genital mutilation of children and transgenderism in elementary schools new emotions that get over 60 percent of the vote on the GOP side are generated.


207 posted on 09/17/2023 8:30:02 PM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERBODY'S BUSINESS-REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: inchworm

Agreed. Republicans use the wrong rhetoric on this issue. All the lecturing and pontificating may play to pro-life voters, but it costs other votes.

Want to change hearts and minds? Want to save babies? Talk about “pregnancy crisis centers” and “pregnancy crisis hotlines.” Tell voters these centers offer “counseling on health insurance, housing, addiction services, etc.”... and make sure these centers do offer those services. (All that means is someone would talk to the women, give them pamphlets, ask them if they have insurance and housing, etc.)

Encourage women (and girls) in “pregnancy crisis” to call and visit these centers for help. Most importantly, make sure these pregnancy centers give ultrasounds, along with accurate information about fetal development. Abortion clinics lie. Make sure these pregnancy centers don’t. Let every woman see the tiny arms and legs and hear the beating heart.


224 posted on 09/17/2023 10:41:30 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: inchworm

Bingo...

You hit the nail on the head.

Stupid fake CHRISTIAN EVANGIES have hijacked the REPUBLICAN PARTY.

For past 40 years, ABORTION is one and only one issue that has been winning elections for Demon-Craps.


231 posted on 09/18/2023 7:48:15 AM PDT by nick0786bazpur (2024: TRUMP or Nothing )
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