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Trump says Ukraine could have avoided conflict
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Posted on 09/18/2023 12:00:17 PM PDT by Rattlesnake_Snook

Ukraine could have avoided hundreds of thousands of deaths and lost less land if it had reached a peace deal with Russia before the conflict began last February, former US President Donald Trump told NBC News in an interview aired on Sunday.

The loss of Ukrainian territory to Russia is “something that could have been negotiated,” Trump told NBC host Kristen Welker, adding that “a lot of people expected” Kiev to abandon its claims to “Crimea and other parts of the country” in exchange for peace.

“So they could have made a deal where there’s less territory [lost] than Russia has already taken,” Trump continued. “They could have made a deal where nobody was killed…they would have had a Ukrainian country. Now nobody even knows if Ukraine is going to be totally taken over.”

By “other parts of the country,” Trump was likely referring to the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, whose sovereignty Russian President Vladimir Putin recognized three days before Russia’s military operation in Ukraine began. Following referendums last September, both regions have now joined the Russian Federation, along with the formerly Ukrainian territories of Kherson and Zaporozhye. Crimea voted to rejoin Russia in 2014.


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Russia; Ukraine; War
KEYWORDS: angryneoconsbelow; angryputinfannyboys; appeasementwontwork; dreamer; fakenews; naive; neoconsvotedbiden; notourproblem; notourwar; outofcontext; rossiyasegodnya; russiatoday
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook

“forgot NATO invading the kosovo region in the 90’s’

And the Cold War years spent maintaining a balance of power to avoid open hostilities...


61 posted on 09/18/2023 12:44:23 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: canuck_conservative

At least you admitted that NATO lied when it said it was purely defensive

Also those genocides were proven lies, and the Bosnians that NATO protected went on to be al-qaeda and ISIS allies


62 posted on 09/18/2023 12:44:32 PM PDT by Rattlesnake_Snook
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To: 1Old Pro

So, Trump is now a surrender monkey.

That’s appeasement, just like Neville Chamberlain. Exactly like that. So, now Liberaltarian pseudo conservatives support Chamberlainesque Appeasement.

Wow. Not your Reagan Republicanism.


63 posted on 09/18/2023 12:44:46 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Trump's lies about Cuomo being better than DeSantis on Covid is DISQUALIFYING....)
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To: JonPreston
I see you’ve finally accepted Col MacGregor’s foreign policy.

No, you dumbass, you have it wrong as always.

I've repeatedly stated I do not support the neocon adventures. I've provided you links demonstrating my posts to that effect going back over two decades on this very forum.

Because I objectively observe that the Russian military is gawd-awful at accomplishing their objectives, and would get waxed in a showdown with the U.S. military, your tiny brain assumes I must be a neocon.

Go away, moron. You think Macgregor's predictions from March of 2022 were true. You're too stupid to tolerate.

64 posted on 09/18/2023 12:45:09 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook

Trump’s account of the Ukraine war is fictional nonsense.

Putin did not give Ukraine an ultimatum that was rejected; he simply invaded, thinking he was going to conquer Ukraine in 2 weeks.

It is true that Biden’s Afghan fiasco emboldened Putin, but that is not Ukraine’s fault.


65 posted on 09/18/2023 12:46:51 PM PDT by devere
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To: mass55th

“But then all those politicians, their family members, big donors, etc., wouldn’t have been able to make money off the military industrial complex, nor be able to launder any of their ill-gotten gains, if it hadn’t happened.”

Yep, absolutely. The only winners of this ballgame are those who sell the franchises the equipment to play the game.

Wonder why this simple reality is just so hard to understand?


66 posted on 09/18/2023 12:49:33 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: canuck_conservative

Yep.


67 posted on 09/18/2023 12:49:49 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: Gunslingr3

I explained in great detail all of Col MacGregor’s comments.


68 posted on 09/18/2023 12:51:51 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: silverleaf

And a sad commentary is that all that I read of foreign sources, much of the world is referring to us, the USA, as the warmonger of the world. They mention Ukraine, Kosovo, the Mideast and more. That is not a reputation I want for this nation I love.


69 posted on 09/18/2023 12:55:39 PM PDT by elpadre (Ca)
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To: entropy12

Good point.


70 posted on 09/18/2023 12:56:36 PM PDT by Bogie
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To: JonPreston
An intelligent person would realize he’s been wrong over and over and over and wouldn’t keep promoting evidence of their own gullibility.

And then there’s you.

71 posted on 09/18/2023 12:58:21 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: canuck_conservative
appeasement doesn’t work ... thought he was smarter than this

Agreed!

I am still pro-Trump, but am disappointed by this.

Regards,

72 posted on 09/18/2023 1:00:19 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Gunslingr3

Not sure about that. He is a West Point grad with a PhD in history, not to mention his bravery on the battlefield. And did I mention he despises the Neocon wars you cheerlead for?


73 posted on 09/18/2023 1:02:16 PM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: silverleaf

Now it is looking like the nazis are going to send Zelenski out feet first. It’s the money from the Us that keeps them civilized.


74 posted on 09/18/2023 1:03:44 PM PDT by Bogie
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To: canuck_conservative
appeasement of monsters doesn’t work ... why is that so hard to understand??

So, cancuck_the brain surgeon, what exactly did Putin do that makes him a monster?

Standing up for his country against US/NATO covert invasion, aggression, and broken promises and with an 80% approval rating in his home country?

Get over it. Those Ukes will soon be speaking Ruskie again -- the ones that don't or have not bailed out of what's left of their little country led by a corrupt freak-show clown.

75 posted on 09/18/2023 1:06:41 PM PDT by icclearly
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To: Rattlesnake_Snook

At root, Trump is lacking the fight gene. He will never, ever, fight

He just can’t bring himself to actually fight. If he can’t make a deal, he just gives up.


76 posted on 09/18/2023 1:11:04 PM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Joe Biden is a kleptocrat)
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To: Verginius Rufus

So we should play world police to stop Putin, with bankrupt US Treasury? That is as stupid as it gets. We have no treaty obligations to defend Ukraine borders.


77 posted on 09/18/2023 1:16:01 PM PDT by entropy12 (Career politicians like Desantis build wealth. Trumpcrificed his wealth to serve people. GO TRUMP)
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To: entropy12

Poland is ready and willing and able to do the job.


78 posted on 09/18/2023 1:17:41 PM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Joe Biden is a kleptocrat)
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To: bert

May be it is better that way with the ugly yuge national debt hanging on heads of our children and grand children.

Within 10 years, net interest costs on the national debt alone will exceed federal expenditures for Medicaid PLUS defense; and, over the next 30 years, these interest payments will be the biggest line item in the federal budget.


79 posted on 09/18/2023 1:17:47 PM PDT by entropy12 (Career politicians like Desantis build wealth. Trumpcrificed his wealth to serve people. GO TRUMP)
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To: bert

Let Poland do it. USA is more bankrupt than all G-20 countries.


80 posted on 09/18/2023 1:19:16 PM PDT by entropy12 (Career politicians like Desantis build wealth. Trumpcrificed his wealth to serve people. GO TRUMP)
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