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The Incandescent Ban and the Lie of LED Efficiency
Foundation for Economic Education. ^ | October 18, 2023 | Peter Jacobsen

Posted on 10/19/2023 4:08:51 PM PDT by george76

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To: george76

Have been using LEDs for years. No need for incandescents at all. They are more reliable, use much less power, and provide pleasant lighting. No complaints except the manufacturers do not mark them well. Weird.


101 posted on 10/19/2023 6:16:52 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: george76

Heresy!, Report immediately to train 53 for re-education.


102 posted on 10/19/2023 6:17:46 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: The Great RJ

A coworker of mine used to collect the mercury. He made bombs as a hobby. He used the mercury for detonating switches. He specialized in blasting out farm ponds. Farm ponds muck up real bad and need dredging every five years or so. Or......You blast them. The mud and muck flies a quarter mile. It works really well. Gave him something to do.


103 posted on 10/19/2023 6:18:18 PM PDT by blackdog ((Z28.310) My dog Sam eats purple flowers.)
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To: Texas Fossil

AC-DC converters (choppers using capacitors) are incredibly ubiquitous. No LED is actually running on AC. I agree that the capacitors go, and that is actually the main failure mode. There are videos on repairing the bulbs, though there’s no need to do that as long as the “supply chains” are running. Stock up on capacitors?


104 posted on 10/19/2023 6:18:26 PM PDT by old-ager
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To: george76

Great read


105 posted on 10/19/2023 6:25:08 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Genocide is here. Leftist extremists are spehe used tarheading the Genocide against conservatives. )
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To: george76

A domestic LED uses about 14% of the energy that an incandescent does. A common LED bulb costs no more than one dollar. Pretend that incandescents only cost 25 cents in a non-manipulated market.

Give the incandescent bulb a 1000 hour lifetime. Count on about 10,000 hours for the LED. That is a savings of $1.50 per bulb over their lifetimes (10 old bulbs vs 1 LED).

In the 10,000 hours, a 100 watt bulb will use 1,000 (one thousand) kilowatt hours. Figure a very low 10 cents per kilowatt hour. That’s one hundred dollars for electricity over the life of the ten incandescent bulbs.

The LED bulb, running at 14 watts, will use 140 kilowatt hours. At only a dime per kW h, that’s $14.

So LEDs are a lot cheaper to run.

But, refer to the videos from the MD that I posted above. Being inside too much is bad for your metabolic health, and blue-ish light in the evening is bad for your sleep.

So maybe the savings of LEDs are often a bad idea. Bear in mind that you are paying about TWICE for the electricity when your AC is on when you figure the cost of running incandescents.


106 posted on 10/19/2023 6:26:59 PM PDT by old-ager
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To: old-ager

> Being inside too much

In this case, meaning lack of exposure to red and IR light. IR penetrates deep into your skin and has health effects on your cells.

Look at Dr. Seheult’s videos. You probably need more IR light than you are getting, and that’s exactly what white LEDs do not have.


107 posted on 10/19/2023 6:30:08 PM PDT by old-ager
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To: Wonder Warthog

> The ban on incandescent does not apply to incandescent heat bulbs

That is kind of funny because almost all of the energy converted by a white incandescent bulb is heat.


108 posted on 10/19/2023 6:32:27 PM PDT by old-ager
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To: george76

I may be the minority. I really like LED bulbs. In the southern part of the country, excess heat impacts comfort and cost in central AC. The also don’t work great outside in very cold weather but that is limited in my geographical location. I find that LED are more susceptible to voltage drops from power companies.

Picking the correct color of light is important. Buying in bulk lowers unit cost. Allication is critical but LED works much better than Compact fluorescent bulbs.

All that said US FEDGOV should have no voice.


109 posted on 10/19/2023 6:43:44 PM PDT by wgmalabama (Censored )
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1; ProtectOurFreedom; AndyJackson; george76

“That said... I love LED light bulbs.”

Same here - they are way more efficient than incandescent. They mostly generate light rather than heat. As a result they use about 1/8 the energy.

But the luddites here in FR will never admit to it even if you prove it to them.

These are the types who, had they been alive during Edison’s era when electric bulbs became available, they would have still clung to candles and oil lanterns.


110 posted on 10/19/2023 6:50:04 PM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how they control you. )
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To: george76

LEDs are more efficient. But they emit radio waves and cause interference in other electronics. Especially two way radios.


111 posted on 10/19/2023 6:50:05 PM PDT by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: george76

I have a stash of candles and kerosene lamps. You’d have to be crazy to trust that newfangled “incandescent” gimmick. Electric lights? Just a passing fad.


112 posted on 10/19/2023 6:53:26 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: Wonder Warthog; blackdog

Reptile heaters

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113 posted on 10/19/2023 7:05:35 PM PDT by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: george76

LEDs use less energy, are brighter, cooler, and (at least the better ones) seem to last forever. Whenever an old incandescent burns out I replace it with LED. I’m happy with them and I’m sticking with them.

But yes, the market should decide. Last data I saw indicated that the market was deciding - LED’s had captured something like 70% of the market. Banning incandescents is nothing but ignorant virtue signaling. If anything should be banned it’s mercury-bearing fluorescents.


114 posted on 10/19/2023 7:09:58 PM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite its unfashionability)
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To: old-ager

No, I will not rework them, but I am an old school Ham Op (have GROL too) and inherited the cheap approach.

I’m going to take the LED’s out and panel them for direct DC from batteries. Current limiting is easy that way. I bought some like that, off shore, that gave me ideas for layout.

I like to take things apart and see what makes them tick. Makes no economic sense, but it give me satisfaction.

I can fix about anything.


115 posted on 10/19/2023 7:11:18 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: george76

100% for market choice. Mandates suck.

That said, I have never managed to burn out an LED lightbulb (yet), the original article is full of bad analogies and faulty logic, and I like using less power, money, and heat lighting up things.

Little more outlay up front; order of magnitude more efficient vastly outweighing the cost; and to be fair one has to include the cost of time to obtain and replace annoying lightbulbs when they go out.

The only use case where I see them as a waste would be in low-value rentals where people bust things regularly. Homeowners, businesses, and renters who aren’t wasteoids are better off with the bulbs (not the mandates).


116 posted on 10/19/2023 7:31:16 PM PDT by No.6
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To: ridesthemiles
Has ANYONE told BIDEN that bulbs inside refrigerators & OVENS need to be incandescent?
LED won’t take the temp differences.

Oven lights, yes, for now but you may want to rethink the refrigerators.

My new fridge has LED lights everywhere, including the freezer, and they light up the whole inside nicely. Better than any refrigerator I have owned that used incandescent bulbs.

117 posted on 10/19/2023 7:58:59 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: Gaffer

I will admit that LEDs are in some area of my place, but incandescent don’t give me the same headaches that LEDs do. Sure, they burn out a little faster than I’d like, but they are better for those who can’t tolerate the on-off nature of the LED bulbs.


118 posted on 10/19/2023 7:59:18 PM PDT by ducttape45 (Proverbs 14:34, "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I’m gonna check them out too. Thanks for the suggestion.


119 posted on 10/19/2023 7:59:37 PM PDT by ducttape45 (Proverbs 14:34, "Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people.")
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To: george76

It’s a good article that goes into detail. However, all that detail, while interesting, was unnecessary. In this case, and in all others:

“If LED light bulbs are truly unquestionably superior, you would not need to pass a law stopping consumers from purchasing incandescent bulbs.”


120 posted on 10/19/2023 8:13:48 PM PDT by ChessExpert (Required for informed consent: "We have a new, experimental vaccine.")
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