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How U.S. Provoked Russia Over Ukraine
laprogressive.com ^ | 3/28/22 | LAP

Posted on 01/22/2024 8:22:40 AM PST by JonPreston

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To: JonPreston

No, you are the one using it as your position.

You also avoided linking to the article and author to avoid people knowing it was Trump’s policies you were blaming.


61 posted on 01/22/2024 10:55:43 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12

it’s all there. Please read slowly and carefully. As a NATO warrior, this should be easy for you!


62 posted on 01/22/2024 11:02:34 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: JonPreston

I disagree with you, I liked Trump’s national defense actions you attacked him for.

Those are the reasons Putin was afraid of Trump.


63 posted on 01/22/2024 11:06:29 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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64 posted on 01/22/2024 11:07:44 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: JonPreston

Quite a post you have there in post 2.

Using the 2019 Rand Report to attack President Trump on foreign policy and national defense and listing what you consider his actions that led Russia to launch the biggest European War since WWII.


65 posted on 01/22/2024 11:16:45 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: JonPreston

take my hand.

Phew! Who knows where that’s been. Nope.


66 posted on 01/22/2024 11:21:51 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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To: JonPreston

Another article about how the West forced Putin to invade Ukraine for some kind of existential threat to Mother Russia, submitted by Ivan pomest’ye svyashchennika.


67 posted on 01/22/2024 11:23:02 AM PST by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals)
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To: ansel12
NATO warrior, you are engaging in argumentum ad ignorantiam.

And for your punishment, I will give you the BroJoeK treatment.

Behold an avalanche of TwitterSlop

🚨 UPDATE AVDEEVKA:
The AFU is retreating without a fight from very important positions!

The enemy in the southern part of Avdeevka wavered. Having failed to knock us the Russians out of Sobornaya Street and nearby streets, there was a fierce fight yesterday and Russian… pic.twitter.com/Z4oidHFFfY— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) January 22, 2024


68 posted on 01/22/2024 11:24:33 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: amnestynone
Then how do you explain their violations of arms treaties.

Oh please! Explain our violations. Good God, are you that naive?

They are the main threat in the world which is why the great number of nations support Ukraine.

Just stop. They are presented as the boogieman by nato and their member states to justify soaking the USA for more $. Truth is, nato used Ukraine to push Russia into this war.
69 posted on 01/22/2024 11:24:46 AM PST by JoSixChip (2020: The year of unreported truths; 2021: My main take away from this year? Trust no one.)
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To: VanShuyten
Another article about how the West forced Putin to invade Ukraine

yes, I'm here to help the Fox news set.

71 posted on 01/22/2024 11:28:49 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: JonPreston

In post 2 you are attacking President Trump’s National Defense policies and claiming he provoked Russia to invade Ukraine.

His canceling the INF treaty you gave special mention to, for some reason that especially troubles you.

Putin was afraid of Trump for the reasons you listed as provoking Putin to launch the bloodiest European war since WWII.


72 posted on 01/22/2024 11:32:32 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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intercepted radio messages

they are very bad

🇺🇦 There is a total panic of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Avdeevka
according to these intercepted radio communications of the Ukrainian military in Avdiivka.

Judging by them, the units holding the defense have suffered huge losses, many wounded and panic.

If this video is… pic.twitter.com/zSHsFMXgkq— Zlatti71 (@djuric_zlatko) January 22, 2024


73 posted on 01/22/2024 11:36:01 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: JonPreston

Even on your own threads you become childlike.


74 posted on 01/22/2024 11:37:56 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12
argumentum ad misericordiam

oofa

Avdeevka is a hot mess

Complete collapse in southern Avdeevka, the best fortifications are now behind the Russians. Expect difficult decisions soon. https://t.co/MhNNReXzkV— ayden (@squatsons) January 22, 2024


75 posted on 01/22/2024 11:44:08 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: ansel12

⚡️Ukrainian armed forces abandon territories due to severe shortage of ammunition

The Ukrainian army is also unable to repel attacks by Russian armed forces," ZDF / IlRusso summarized pic.twitter.com/1Al3zATAg9— Zlatti71 (@djuric_zlatko) January 22, 2024


76 posted on 01/22/2024 11:57:01 AM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: JonPreston

When you host a thread of a 2019 report blaming President Trump for Putin launching war in Europe, you should respond to posters about the thread topic, not slip back into your childish cocoon and start trying to hijack your own thread.


77 posted on 01/22/2024 12:00:01 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12
Commander, have you heard anything about this?

🇫🇷🪖 The son of a brigadier general of the French army was killed by a strike by the Russian Armed Forces at a point of temporary deployment of foreign mercenaries in Kharkov. His partner (also killed) came from a hereditary military dynasty in France.

According to Mash, the… pic.twitter.com/NF7XP0iw20— Zlatti71 (@djuric_zlatko) January 22, 2024


78 posted on 01/22/2024 12:34:24 PM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: JonPreston

You keep trying to hijack your own thread that you posted telling us that Trump is to blame for Russia’s launching war.

Which items in your post 2 do you want President Trump to undo in his second term?


79 posted on 01/22/2024 12:43:28 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: ansel12
Which items in your post 2 do you want President Trump to undo in his second term?

General, aren't you jumping to conclusions? Who says he's going to have a second term? Didn't NATO teach you anything?

80 posted on 01/22/2024 12:48:51 PM PST by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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