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EU agrees $54 billion in new aid for Ukraine as Hungary falls in line
Reuters MSN ^ | 2/1/2024 | Charlotte Van Campenhout, Andrew Gray and Andreas Rinke

Posted on 02/01/2024 4:32:43 PM PST by marcusmaximus

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luke 14
31“Or suppose a king is about to go to war against another king. Won’t he first sit down and consider whether he is able with ten thousand men to oppose the one coming against him with twenty thousand? 32If he is not able, he will send a delegation while the other is still a long way off and will ask for terms of peace. 33In the same way, those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples.


61 posted on 02/01/2024 7:38:41 PM PST by rottweiller_inc (inter canem et lupum)
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To: Jane Long

Whatever. None of the money is coming from Hungary. Hungary is a net recipient of EU funds. Its a bit rich for Orban to make himself a roadblock over what other countries want to do with THEIR money.


62 posted on 02/01/2024 7:54:47 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: Reverend Wright

The threat to Hungary is withholding EU funds. The beggar at the table really has no bargaining chips other than what the real players have gifted (or loaned) him.


63 posted on 02/01/2024 7:57:07 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: hardspunned

The only threat to Hungary is to stop sending it money.


64 posted on 02/01/2024 7:58:16 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: hardspunned

Here’s the thing Z will learn about NATO. All their promises to come to the rescue are a picked flower that looks nice at first and next you know you’re looking at aa dried stem with nothing left.


65 posted on 02/01/2024 8:00:01 PM PST by rottweiller_inc (inter canem et lupum)
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To: Angelino97

Hungary largely survives on subsidies from its neighbors. That’s the threat.


66 posted on 02/01/2024 8:01:33 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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67 posted on 02/01/2024 8:02:52 PM PST by UMCRevMom@aol.com (Pray for God's intervention to stop Putin's invasion of Ukraine 🇺🇸 )
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To: Reverend Wright

So the solution is to re-industrialize with war industries, no?

But then you lot will complain about the “military-industrial complex”.

BTW, the restriction in all this is largely limited to 155mm artillery ammo. The “West” vastly outproduces Russia in aircraft and guided munitions.


68 posted on 02/01/2024 8:05:01 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya
The only threat to Hungary is to stop sending it money.

Many nations on the dole, unfortunately.


69 posted on 02/01/2024 8:10:13 PM PST by Angelino97
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To: Angelino97

And that’s just the US. Add in the Euros.


70 posted on 02/01/2024 8:18:29 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

So the solution is to re-industrialize with war industries, no?


That isn’t possible. This is what “free trade” fools don’t understand.

The reason why they can’t increase artillery ammunition is because they need more forging presses. And there is only ONE remaining company (with less than 50 employees) in the whole country that can build such a press.

When the factories were offshored, the companies that built production equipment for those factories shut down.

“The “West” vastly outproduces Russia in aircraft and guided munitions.”

No they don’t. This story is about Raytheon only being able to produce 300 ship missiles since 2019, when the contract called for 600.

Raytheon blames, subcontractors, suppliers, cover, supply chain.. blah, blah, blah. The problem remains, they can’t produce the missiles, while Russia churns them out.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-01-23/defense-giant-rtx-behind-schedule-on-missile-to-defend-us-carriers-from-china


71 posted on 02/01/2024 8:56:08 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Reverend Wright

How many 155 shells do you think the West is currently producing and what do you anticipate that production being by the end of this year? We’ll leave countries like Australia and South Korea out of it.


72 posted on 02/01/2024 9:09:45 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: buwaya

“The beggar at the table really has no bargaining chips other than what the real players have gifted (or loaned) him. “


This is the mentality of an Empire, and shows the real relationship between supposedly equal member states and the Hegemon.

Of course this is how Globohomo Washington treats its own Imperial dependents, and the resentments are building there as well.

Especially as the military protection looks shaky, and the high-handed impudence from lgbt, diversity worship, energy sanctions, to the Nordstream bombing is all liabilities.


73 posted on 02/01/2024 9:20:24 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: ansel12

I know the USA claims they will be at just under 90K per month by the end of 2025.

They could be currently at 45K is they added a third shift (have they?)

I know that the EU is 70 percent below their goal ( one million) for 2023.


74 posted on 02/01/2024 9:24:23 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Reverend Wright

So you don’t really keep up with this stuff much, you just always attack America and the West no matter what, as you promote and push for our enemies.


75 posted on 02/01/2024 9:26:46 PM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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To: Reverend Wright

You can certainly buy high-volume forging equipment.

https://www.shi.co.jp/english/products/machinery/forging_press/index.html

You can certainly buy them from China :) They WILL sell them to you.
https://www.yadonpress.com/home

Or, rather, from one of their US dealers

https://www.trueforge.com/About


76 posted on 02/01/2024 10:04:39 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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To: buwaya

Raytheon knows all about that. They admit they are dependent on Chinese subcontractors.

https://dailycaller.com/2023/06/19/raytheon-china-greg-hayes-decoupling/


77 posted on 02/01/2024 10:07:46 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: marcusmaximus

The biggie is Sweden will now be in NATO.
The USA can now back off and let Europeans deal with local Russian aggressions.


78 posted on 02/01/2024 10:12:51 PM PST by rellic
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To: Reverend Wright

No, its the mentality of any human political-economic system.
It persists until actual power relations shift, forcing a change in the expression of power. The Hungary-EU power relations arent anywhere close to a shift.

The US problem is the ongoing failure of the US leadership subculture to understand the power of their rivals. Having such misunderstandings is how conflicts arise. They are resolved in various ways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-tqxx2VrpI&pp=ygURY2FybWFnbm9sZSBseXJpY3M%3D


79 posted on 02/01/2024 10:26:43 PM PST by buwaya (Strategic imperatives )
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One of this issues for these presses is the shell is forged vertically, so they need a long stroke, as well as forging force of ~ 1000 to 3000 tons.

I can't find it now, but Schuler's largest stock press could not accommodate 800mm+ stroke

That's why, for example, an automobile crankshaft forging press could not be adapted - crankshafts are forged flat

So this ends up being a custom job, which is part of the delay. (and an obvious argument that you mothball these things in peacetime, not sell them for scrap)


80 posted on 02/01/2024 10:29:14 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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