Posted on 02/15/2024 8:12:28 AM PST by MtnClimber
Most of Europe, the U.S., and the West understandably supported arming Ukraine to repel Vladimir Putin’s Russian aggression. By contrast, such support for democratic Israel was strangely mixed.
The Ukrainian and Israeli wars are similar and yet also different conflicts—but in more ways than we can imagine.
Ukraine was invaded by a huge Russian state, with a population three-and-a-half times greater, a gross national product ten times larger, and an area thirty times its size.
Hamas, by contrast, is a terrorist clique of about 50,000-70,000 gunmen and terrorist kingpins who run Gaza. It is dwarfed by the Israeli population (20 times larger), economy (27 times greater), and area (60 times larger).
Both Russia and Hamas started the wars. Russia was convinced it would easily crush the smaller neighbor. Hamas hoped to spark a pan-Islamic jihad against the Jewish state.
Most of Europe, the United States, and the West understandably supported arming Ukraine to repel Vladimir Putin’s Russian aggression.
By contrast, such support for democratic Israel was strangely mixed.
In many elite, political, academic, and media circles, Israel is criticized for its massive retaliation after October 7, 2023.
The Western attitude toward the two wars grows even more inconsistent, if not incoherent.
There are constant calls for Israel to be “proportionate” in Gaza following the massacres of nearly 1,200 Jews, the vast majority civilians.
But Westerners understandably seek to give Ukraine more and better arms than Russia to ensure a disproportionate response necessary to win the war.
Israel is faulted for collateral damage from its efforts to destroy Hamas—even though terrorists are burrowed in and beneath hospitals, mosques, and schools.
Israeli hostages are used as human shields to protect Hamas gunmen.
No matter. Israel is expected to text or drop leaflets warning Gazan civilians to keep clear of impending air attacks...
(Excerpt) Read more at amgreatness.com ...
VDH ping
There’s a lot of Nazi style antisemitism buried in the Snake Departmrnt from before WW2.
It resurfaces whoever they can refuse Jewish refugees asylum, weaken Israel, or sabotage Israel’s defense forces during wartime.
That department isn’t unique of course but it has been a prime candidate for deNazification for a very long time
How about — the US just gets out of the Forever War business?
I don’t like Ukraine.
I do like Israel.
I don’t want to fund either of them.
It’s a peculiar American mental illness that we feel we MUST jump in and support somebody in any fight anywhere. No. We don’t. Let’s just focus on America. We have local problems.
Ukraine is forbidden from using western donated weapons(HIMARS, ATACMS, Storm Shadows, etc) on Russian territory, and can ONLY use them on land Russia seized from Ukraine.
I love VDH. I guess he doesn’t peruse FR to take its temperature.
So its OK with you if Hamas kills more Israelis in horrific ways? And its definitely OK if Russians kill millions of Ukrainians, who are killing Russians, who could use their space-born nuclear assets to knock out the US, killing millions of Americans. Not One Cent! Right?
I support Israel and encourage them to depopulate Gaza. But I don’t see why the US needs to fund that.
As for Ukraine — I consider it a Nazi state and I think the world is better off if Russia conquers it. I don’t dislike Russia.
So there.
The AMAZING CONNECTION between, Ukraine, Israel, US tax dollars and George Soros:
The Senate’s recent passage of the Biden funding bill made George Soros very happy.
Just another source of income for Soros, for his financing leftist tripe in the US govt.
J Street Lobby Goes into Action
On Friday, Oct 20th, 2023, the Biden Administration sent a Supplemental Funding Request to the US Congress that contains key priorities for the American Jewish community:
Please urge your federal elected officials to take action by sending an email below or picking up the phone to call using the script at the end of this form. Your advocacy will help ensure Congress passes the Supplemental Budget Request, which includes the following:
<><>$14.3 Billion in Emergency assistance to Israel: This emergency assistance will bolster Israel’s ability to defend herself and replenish vital defense systems, including the Iron Dome and David’s Sling missile defense programs.
<><>Increased Funding for FEMA’s Nonprofit Security Grant Program (NSGP): Jewish communities are in a state of elevated readiness and have already been forced to increase their security measure. FEMA’s Nonprofit “Security Grant Program” helps ensure the safety and security of Jewish and other faith-based community institutions. The increased funding included in Biden’s Supplemental Budget Request will help bolster our Jewish community’s capacity to protect itself at this challenging time.
<><>$61.4 Billion in Emergency Assistance to Ukraine: The J Street Lobby stands in solidarity with Ukraine and supports efforts to strengthen its democracy in the face of aggression. This funding will aid Ukraine’s efforts to safeguard its democracy and protect its citizens. Jewish Federations are actively engaged in supporting the Ukrainian people—including by resettling over 2,600 displaced Ukrainians across the United States—and we seek continued U.S. support for these critical efforts.
Reference-——
J street Lobby Policy on the US-Israel Special Relationship
(with the financial help of $750 million from George Soros).
J Street believes that maintaining a strong, vibrant US-Israel relationship is a core American interest. We want to see a secure, thriving Israel that is a healthy democracy, a national home for the Jewish people and a state for all its citizens that embodies the shared values that have long formed the heart of the special relationship between our two countries. We believe that American diplomatic leadership has an important role to play in helping to make this vision a reality, as does cooperation in (financing) Israel’s security, economic, technological, academic and civil society spheres.
Confidential IRS documents obtained by The Washington Times in 2010 showed that George Soros had been a donor to J Street since 2008. The approximately $750,000 from Soros and his family, together with donations from Hong Kong-based businesswoman Ms. Consolacion Esdicul, amounted to about 15% of J Street’s funding in its early years.
In previous statements and on its web site J Street had seemed to deny receiving support from foreign interests and from Soros.
Jeremy Ben-Ami apologized for earlier “misleading” statements regarding funding from Soros. Ben-Ami also clarified that donors to 501(c)(4) organizations are promised confidentiality by law and challenged critics to make public the contributions from opposing organizations.
This whole thing comes across as a managed stage act.
It IS a managed set. We are funding Ukranian oligarchs and their families in order for them not blow the whistle on the Bidens, Pelosi, Romney and OUR oligarchs.
There IS one consistency between the two military/diplomatic issues: The U.S. is pushing hard to support the losing side.
The simple reason for this is that the primary interest of the U.S. is in prolonging the conflicts. There's no money to be made by Boeing, Raytheon, General Dynamics, and thousands of unemployable bureaucrats working for NGOs if these conflicts ended quickly.
.........the primary interest of the U.S. is in prolonging the
conflicts. There’s no money to be made by Boeing, Raytheon,
General Dynamics, and thousands of unemployable bureaucrats
working for NGOs if these conflicts ended quickly.......
Amen.
And after Moscovia upholds its pledge to exterminate every last Ukrainian, you will feel nothing? And when Moscovia moves on to invade the Baltics, and Poland, you will remain self-righteous, right?
VDH has gone globohomo! He supports Ukraine!
Soros’ financial involvement with J Street lobbying, Biden,
and billions of Us tax dollars would be a puzzlement.
Except it might explain Netanyahu’s racing to the mic
to figuratively French kiss Biden on “winning” 2020.
I don’t tell other people how they should feel.
I don’t other people what they should think.
I don’t tell other people what they should do.
I merely state my opinion on these matters.
But you approach it differently, don’t you? You have your view of the world and you want to push that view on everyone else until we all agree with how YOU see things.
The hell with that.
Right; obviously you are totally blind, Sorry about your condition. And you misplaced love for Mother Moscovia and its glorious leader Putin, to whom you would gladly hand victory.
The left stupidly loves Marxism (while simultaneously being clueless about what Marxism truly is and how it is diametrically opposed to the human spirit). The ‘intellectual’ concept of Marxism is ideologically at the core of almost everything the left does.
In that context the left loved the Jews of Bolshevik Russia and the USSR, at least those Jews who were fervently pro-Marxism. They currently like (or at least are tolerant of) those Jews in the West who tend toward secularism and who still embrace Marx (a group that includes, ironically, even those who are hugely economically successful in the context of capitalism).
They don't, however, like Jews who reject Marxism and who have the audacity to believe that they have a right to self-determine and to their own nation state. The left don't like Jews like Bibi, or Mark Levine, and they especially don't like Orthodox Jews. They also don't like conservative Christians, but are OK with Christianity as defined by the left (e.g. a secular view of Christianity as a form of socialism).
Who they like or don't like is a function of their ideology.
Israel is listed in US law as a major non-NATO US Ally. It passed both house and senate and was signed by the potus to be part of the US Code.
Ukraine is not so listed and never has been.
IOW, we have a legal commitment to Israel and not one to Ukraine.
They can create one in Ukraine by declaring war, granting a letter of authorization, incorporation into NATO, signing a treaty, or legally declaring them a major non-nato ally.
None of these has been pursued. Until one is, I will not support a proxy war in Ukraine.
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