Posted on 02/27/2024 9:08:22 AM PST by SJackson
A conflict between Russia and NATO would be inevitable if Western troops go to Ukraine, Russian President Vladimir Putin's spokesman said today.
The Kremlin's comments come after French President Emmanuel Macron did not rule out putting boots on the ground in Ukraine as Kyiv struggles to fend off Russia's full-scale invasion.
While Macron noted that there was no consensus about troops at this stage, Ukraine has not asked allies for soldiers to fight its cause and other Western governments even scrambled Tuesday to insist troops were not set to be deployed, the mere suggestion sparked a furious response from Moscow.
“In this case, we need to talk not about the likelihood, but about the inevitability [of a conflict]. That’s how we evaluate it,” said Dmitry Peskov, Putin's press secretary.
“These countries must also evaluate and be aware of this, asking themselves whether this corresponds to their interests, as well as the interests of the citizens of their countries,” Peskov added.
Macron’s comments came at the tail end of a summit in Paris, where EU leaders gathered Monday to discuss ongoing support for Kyiv. Macron said defeating Russia is “indispensable” to Europe’s security and stability, and that EU leaders discussed the topic of Western troops in a "very free and direct" manner during the summit.
A domestic backlash quickly grew Tuesday against Macron's comments, and was followed by Western allies pushing back against the floated move to put soldiers into Ukraine.
German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said leaders in Paris agreed that “everyone must do more for Ukraine,” but that “one thing is clear: There will be no ground troops from European states or NATO.”
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Yeah, suuuure....we all know that the Ukrainians themselves and their Parliament had nothing to do with it, right? It was all just this lone woman who did it all herself, including running Yanukovych out of the country! What a weak man he was for letting that happen!
Protesters seize Ukraine president's office, take control of Kiev
Yanukovych understood the nature of the evil the US had planned for Ukraine and was repulsed by it, preferring to live in peace with Russia and definitely objected to NATO in Ukraine.
Yanukovych was such a model of peace and virtue was't he?
Ukrainians gawk at leader's villa
An Unfinished Ukraine Palace and a Fugitive Leader’s Folly
Since WWII:
RUSSIA:
Russia invades, occupies, then annex, finalize the steal, and then gets an expanded Russian territory. It’s called neo-colonialism and neo-sovetism.
USA:
America momentarily occupies, try its best to eliminate the bad apples there and the terror cells, then leave the county alone. It never annexes anything, it never expands the territory of America.
The the difference between America and Russia is incomparable.
“Yeah, suuuure....we all know that the Ukrainians themselves and their Parliament had nothing to do with it, right? It was all just this lone woman who did it all herself, including running Yanukovych out of the country! What a weak man he was for letting that happen!”
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Recorded conversation between Asst. Sec. of State Victoria Nuland and Amb. Jeffery Pyatt
A recording of Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt speaking on the phone about US strategy for a political transition in Ukraine and includes a crude swipe at the European Union.
Transcript:
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the klitschko piece is obviously the
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complicated
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electron here especially the
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announcement of him as deputy prime
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minister and you’ve seen some of my
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notes on the
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troubles in the marriage right now so
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we’re trying to get a read really fast
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on where he is on this stuff
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but i think your argument to him which
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you’ll need to make i think that’s the
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next phone call we want to set up
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is exactly the one you made to yachts
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and i’m glad you sort of put him on the
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spot on where he fits in this scenario
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and i’m very glad he said what he said
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in response
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good so uh i don’t think clete should go
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into the government
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i don’t think it’s necessary i don’t
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think it’s a good idea
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yeah i mean i i guess
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you think what in terms of him not going
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into the government just let him sort of
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stay out and do his political homework
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and stuff
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i’m just thinking in terms of sort of
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the process moving ahead
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we want to keep the moderate democrats
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together the problem is going to be tony
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broke and his guys
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and you know i’m sure that’s part of
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what yanukovych is calculating on all of
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this
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um i think yats is the guy who’s got the
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economic experience the governing
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experience he’s
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he’s the gut you know what he needs is
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clitch and tony book
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on the outside he needs to be talking to
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them four times a week
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you know i i just think klitsch going in
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he’s going to be
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at that level working for yatsenyuk it’s
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just not going to work
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yeah no i think that’s i think that’s
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right okay good would you want us to try
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to set up a call with him
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here’s the next step my understanding
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from that
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call but you tell me was that the big
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three were going into their own meeting
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and that yachts was going to offer in
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that context a three-way
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you know three plus one conversation or
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three plus two with you
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is that not how you understood it no i
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think i mean that’s what he proposed but
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i think just knowing the dynamic that’s
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been with them where
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um klitschko has been the top dog he’s
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going to take a while to show up for
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whatever meeting they’ve got and he’s
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probably talking to his guys at this
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point so
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i think you reaching out directly to him
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helps with the
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personality management among the three
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and and it gives you also a chance to
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move fast on all this stuff and put us
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behind you behind it
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before they all sit down and he he
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explains why he doesn’t like it
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okay good i’m happy why don’t you reach
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out to him and see if he wants to talk
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before or after
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okay we’ll do thanks okay i’ve now
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written oh one more wrinkle for you jeff
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yeah uh i can’t remember if i told you
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this or if i only told washington this
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that
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when i talked to jeff feltman this
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morning he had a new name for the un guy
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robert serry
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did i write you that this morning yeah i
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saw that
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he’s now gotten both sarri and ban
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ki-moon to agree that sari could come in
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monday or tuesday
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okay so that would be great i think to
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help glue this thing and have the un
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help glue it
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and you know the eu no exactly and
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i think we’ve got to do something to
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make it stick together because
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you can be pretty sure that if it does
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if it does start to gain altitude the
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russians will
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be working behind the scenes to try to
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torpedo it and again the fact that this
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is out there right now
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i’m still trying to figure out in my
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mind why yanakovich did that
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but in the meantime there’s a party of
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regions faction meeting going on right
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now and i’m sure there’s a
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lively argument going on in that group
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at this point but
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anyway we could uh we could land jelly
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set up on this one if we move fast so
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let me work on
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let me work on klitschko and if you can
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just keep i think we want to try to get
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somebody
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with an international personality to um
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come out here and help to midwife this
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thing then the other the other issue is
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some kind of
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outreach to yanukovych but we probably
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regroup on that tomorrow as we see how
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things start to fall into place
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so on that piece jeff uh when i wrote
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the note uh sullivan’s come back to me
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uh vfr saying you need biden and i said
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probably tomorrow for an
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atta boy and i get the deets to stick so
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guidance willing
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okay great thanks
Audio Source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoW75J5bnnE
“America momentarily occupies, try its best to eliminate the bad apples there and the terror cells, then leave the county alone. It never annexes anything, it never expands the territory of America.”
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You’re not very educated on how the USA was established, that’s for sure.
Yanukovych fled the country and asked Putin to SEND TROOPS TO UKRAINE to help restore his control over the country!
Can you imagine ANYTHING more treasonous??
Issued on: 24/01/2019
Ukraine sentences ex-leader Yanukovych in absentia for treason
https://www.france24.com/en/20190124-ukraine-sentences-ex-leader-yanukovych-absentia-treason
Video:
A New Cold War? Ukraine Violence Escalates, Leaked Tape Suggests U.S. Was Plotting Coup
A short-lived truce has broken down in Ukraine as street battles have erupted between anti-government protesters and police. Last night the country’s embattled president and the opposition leaders demanding his resignation called for a truce and negotiations to try to resolve Ukraine’s political crisis. But hours later, armed protesters attempted to retake Independence Square sparking another day of deadly violence. At least 50 people have died since Tuesday in the bloodiest period of Ukraine’s 22-year post-Soviet history. While President Obama has vowed to “continue to engage all sides” a recently leaked audio recording between two top U.S. officials reveal the Obama administration has been secretly plotting with the opposition. We speak to Stephen Cohen, professor emeritus of Russian studies and politics at New York University and Princeton University. His most recent book, “Soviet Fates and Lost Alternatives: From Stalinism to the New Cold War,” is out in paperback. His latest Nation article is “Distorting Russia: How the American Media Misrepresent Putin, Sochi and Ukraine.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROTwyP5no08
You must pay more attention...
I said “Since WWII”.
Right?
A few years ago
I met a young India woman
Who was back east
Working for the UN
She told me
England was the curse - ruin
Of the whole world
I thought she was crazy
Gog dieversity usa / England
Magog dieversity nato / Un
Rev 13
Ps
Having to re-think how this
Brave new world
Is messing everything up
Am I supposes to be impressed or something by that mini-wall of text?
Do you have a reference for China saying it would invade Taiwan if France sends troops to Ukraine to engage Russia?
No more impressed than others are supposed to be by your walls of oversized propaganda images.
Glad you see it the way it is.
Meet Stephen F. Cohen, Vladimir Putin's Best Friend in the American Media
The American Who Dared Make Putin's Case
Stephen F. Cohen, Influential Historian of Russia, Dies at 81
In Moscow he was befriended by the last Soviet leader, Mikhail S. Gorbachev, who invited him to the May Day celebration at Red Square in 1989. There, at the Lenin Mausoleum, Professor Cohen stood with his wife and son one tier below Mr. Gorbachev and the Soviet leadership to view a three-hour military parade. He later spoke briefly on Russian television to a vast audience about alternative paths that Russian history could have taken.
Loosely identified with a revisionist historical view of the Soviet Union, Professor Cohen held views that made him a controversial public intellectual. He believed that early Bolshevism had held great promise, that it had been democratic and genuinely socialist, and that it had been corrupted only later by civil war, foreign hostility, Stalin’s malignancy and a fatalism in Russian history.
Vive Le France !
LOL, China owns the WEF. Have you every heard the WEF criticize China over anything? Human rights, energy police, pollution, free speech, hacking, no China is running the place.
The international financial community has shown their backsides to the Chi-Coms and commies are enjoying the cheep sex.
Somebody explain to me why Macron is talking about sending in boots on the ground if the valiant, totally-not-connected-to-the-CIA Ukrainian forces are undefeatable?
Isn’t the Russian military about to fold up like cardboard under the onslaught of US super-weapons, and isn’t Putin about to be deposed because his insane war has devastated the Russian economy and caused Russia to become an international pariah with no allies or trading partners?
Is it perhaps that Macron wants French forces to share with the Ukrainians the ultimate moment of victory over Putin, just so they can get a taste of what it’s like to win?
It’s all so confusing...
Apparently congress can't either since they haven't done so since WWII, yet that did not stop us fighting endless wars ever since.
No, you mean it opens the door for "bad apples" and "terror cells" as in Iraq, Syria and Libya. The ISIS onslaught in Iraq and the Levant which eliminated tens of thousands of Christians and destroyed their historical culture, is down to us.
The exact opposite of your fantasy.
Why would Russia use nukes first when it’s been the west that keeps,escalating?
His smile is morphing from creepy to eerie. Nothing personable about it.
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