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Russia warns NATO of certain war if West puts troops into Ukraine-Allied leaders rush to distance themselves from French President Emmanuel Macron’s suggestion that allies could put boots on the ground to help Kyiv.
Politico ^ | 2-27-24 | LAURA KAYALI AND CLAUDIA CHIAPPA

Posted on 02/27/2024 9:08:22 AM PST by SJackson

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To: sport

The president CANNOT declare war.


41 posted on 02/27/2024 11:24:36 AM PST by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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To: Thunder90; SJackson

“China has said that NATO troops is a red line, and they would invade Taiwan in “self defense” to prevent it from declaring independence in such a scenario.”

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

China says NATO troops is a red line in Ukraine...
But China says RUSSIAN troops in Ukraine is NOT a red line...

Hmmmmm.... interesting......


42 posted on 02/27/2024 11:27:04 AM PST by USA-FRANCE
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To: USA-FRANCE

China says NATO troops is a red line in Ukraine...
But China says RUSSIAN troops in Ukraine is NOT a red line...

Hmmmmm.... interesting......

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You evidently haven’t been paying attention.


43 posted on 02/27/2024 11:38:56 AM PST by laplata (They want each crisis to take the greatest toll possible.)
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To: Thunder90

Oh noes.

The Chinese Red Line.

“China’s final warning” (Russian: последнее китайское предупреждение, romanized: posledneye kitayskoye preduprezhdeniye) is a Russian ironic idiom originating from the Soviet Union that refers to a warning that carries no real consequences.[1]

I’m sure you understand the Russian.


44 posted on 02/27/2024 11:49:13 AM PST by ifinnegan (Democrats kill babies and harvest their organs to sell)
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To: jacknhoo
US gov’t knew NATO expansion to Ukraine would force Russia to intervene

Oh yeah, poor Russia. Always forced to do truly awful things like invading neighboring countries, seizing their territories, leveling their towns and cities, and slaughtering their citizens.

Poor, poor Russia...we should feel so sorry for it.

45 posted on 02/27/2024 12:07:55 PM PST by Timber Rattler ("To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace." --George Washington)
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To: momincombatboots
It’s weird for me to think only Russia and china are left standing against the WEF.

It's crazy, isn't it? But China has their own set of WEF-like plans, at least for their own populace.

46 posted on 02/27/2024 12:11:35 PM PST by Lazamataz (Laz 2005: "First, we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them.")
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To: Timber Rattler

Point taken. Thanks


47 posted on 02/27/2024 12:12:46 PM PST by know.your.why (<>)
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To: Timber Rattler

“Poor, poor Russia...we should feel so sorry for it.”

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I see you don’t deny, “US gov’t knew NATO expansion to Ukraine would force Russia to intervene,” though. Thanks for your warmonger response - colors displayed.


48 posted on 02/27/2024 12:34:18 PM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

My guess is Zelensky will be the Archduke Franz Ferdinand of 2024.

Or maybe the Ngo Dinh Diem.


49 posted on 02/27/2024 12:37:54 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Lazamataz

Maybe so. But it doesn’t include foreign invasion and replacement.


50 posted on 02/27/2024 12:39:57 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: Williams

“Ain’t gonna be any nuclear attack from Russia because Russia would be destroyed, or at least its forces in Eastern Europe.”

A ludicrous fantasy.

If Russia lights nukes in Ukraine, nobody will intervene in any way.

If Russia lights nukes in NATO countries, the entire world would burn, not just Russia. Everyone in the Northern Hemisphere. Including us.


51 posted on 02/27/2024 12:41:26 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Timber Rattler

“Poor, poor Russia...we should feel so sorry for it.”
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The US-led NATO imperialist alliance provoked Russia right up til the end:

On February 19, a few days before its intervention in Ukraine, warmongering NATO leader Jens Stoltenberg threatened, “if Kremlin’s aim is to have less NATO on Russia’s borders, it will only get more NATO”

And:
It’s not hard to understand Russia’s thinking. The West promised the former USSR that NATO wouldn’t expand “one inch east” after German reunification

It lied. NATO has added 14 new members since then, ALL east of Germany, threatening Russia on its borders
https://multipolarista.com/2022/02/20/us-uk-france-russia-expand-nato-east-germany/

X source:
https://x.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1497284677220159492?s=20

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Relative Article:
US, UK, France promised USSR not to expand NATO east of Germany, newly discovered document proves
Notes from a 1991 meeting prove that the US, UK, France, and Germany assured the Soviet Union that NATO would not expand east. It’s part of a growing body of evidence that the West broke its promise to Russia.

Article body:
A newly discovered document provides more evidence that Western governments broke their promise not to expand NATO eastward after German reunification.

Notes from a 1991 meeting between top US, British, French, and German officials confirm that there was a “general agreement that membership of NATO and security guarantees [are] unacceptable” for Central and Eastern Europe.

Germany’s diplomatic representative emphasized that the Soviet Union was promised in 1990 that “we would not extend NATO beyond the Elbe” river, in eastern Germany.

The document, which was formerly classified as secret, comes from the British National Archives.

It was made widely known this February by the German newspaper Der Spiegel, but was actually first published by US political scientist Joshua Shifrinson in 2019.

The document describes a meeting between senior officials from the United States, United Kingdom, France, and Germany in the city of Bonn on March 6, 1991.

The subject of the gathering was “Security in Central and Eastern Europe.”

German diplomat Jürgen Chrobog is quoted in the notes saying, “We had made it clear during the 2+4 negotiations that we would not extend NATO beyond the Elbe. We could not therefore offer membership of NATO to Poland and the others.”

The 2+4 negotiations were talks in 1990 that allowed for the reunification of Germany, featuring capitalist West Germany and socialist East Germany (the 2) along with the United States, Soviet Union, Britain, and France (the 4).

Chrobog’s comments in the notes, therefore, confirm that the Western powers had promised the USSR in 1990 that they would not expand NATO eastward after German reunification.

Further clarifying this fact, the document adds that there was a “general agreement that membership of NATO and security guarantees [are] unacceptable” for countries east of Germany.

Related Image:
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NATO has added 14 member states east of Germany since end of First Cold War
Since the end of the First Cold War and the overthrow of the Soviet Union,14 countries in Central and Eastern Europe have joined the US-led NATO military alliance – all countries east of Germany, in flagrant violation of the promise not to expand.

In 1999, the Czech Republic, Hungary, and Poland joined NATO.

In 2004, Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia joined as well.

In 2009, Albania and Croatia joined.

In 2017, Montenegro joined.

In 2020, North Macedonia joined.

NATO has also discussed the possibility of Bosnia and Herzegovina, Georgia, and Ukraine joining in the future.

In December 2021, the Russian Federation demanded that NATO agree to a series of security guarantees, including a promise not to add any more members. The United States and NATO rejected Moscow’s demands.

Related Image:
https://i0.wp.com/geopoliticaleconomy.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/NATO-expansion-map.png?resize=1024%2C783&ssl=1

More evidence that NATO broke its promise not to expand east of Germany
The newly discovered 1991 diplomatic record is part of a growing body of evidence that the Russian government’s accusation that NATO broke its promise is indeed correct.

As Geopolitical Economy Report previously noted, declassified documents from the governments of the United States, Britain, France, Germany, and the former Soviet Union and Russian Federation prove that NATO pledged not to expand east.

The National Security Archive at George Washington University in Washington, DC published records showing that US Secretary of State James Baker reassured Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev “not once, but three times” that NATO would expand “not one inch eastward,” in a February 9, 1990 meeting.

Baker admitted that “not only for the Soviet Union but for other European countries as well it is important to have guarantees that if the United States keeps its presence in Germany within the framework of NATO, not an inch of NATO’s present military jurisdiction will spread in an eastern direction.”

Related X post:

US Secretary of State Blinken claimed the military alliance “NATO never promised not to admit new members.”

This is a lie contradicted by multiple Western government documents, showing NATO promised the USSR not to expand “one inch eastward” past Germany
https://multipolarista.com/2022/01/14/us-lies-nato-expansion-russia/

Link to Related X post:
https://x.com/GeopoliticaEcon/status/1486711748446998530?s=20

Article Link:
https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2022/02/20/us-uk-france-russia-expand-nato-east-germany/


52 posted on 02/27/2024 12:45:39 PM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Mariner

Russia has been threatening nukes for two years now and it’s all drunken, hollow bluster.


53 posted on 02/27/2024 12:45:57 PM PST by Timber Rattler ("To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace." --George Washington)
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To: jacknhoo

Watch Moscow TV.

Putin’s mouthpieces have been threatening Poland, London, and D.C. for months.


54 posted on 02/27/2024 12:53:41 PM PST by Miami Rebel
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To: jacknhoo
The US-led NATO imperialist alliance provoked Russia right up til the end:

Riggght....Russia was just forced to attack Ukraine and slaughter all those people. NATO made them do it! How weak Russia must have been to be forced, FORCED into such awful behavior!

On February 19, a few days before its intervention in Ukraine, warmongering NATO leader Jens Stoltenberg threatened, “if Kremlin’s aim is to have less NATO on Russia’s borders, it will only get more NATO”

And Stoltenberg was correct!

Finland joins NATO as 31st Ally

Sweden Joins NATO: How the Alliance Will Benefit From the Expansion

NATO chief Stoltenberg on anniversary: 'Ukraine will join NATO'

Time to join NATO? Moldova eyes joining ‘a larger alliance’


55 posted on 02/27/2024 12:54:44 PM PST by Timber Rattler ("To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace." --George Washington)
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To: momincombatboots

The number of people absolutely slobbering in enthusiasm over every flatulent thing the WEF puts out is amazing to me.
And our economy would be better if we’d stop with teh shadow implementation of the green weenie raw deal, and bring manufacturing back to the US instead of outsourcing it to China etc.

Some day everyone will know the name Victoria Nuland either because the left is glorifying her as a visionary in her role of toppling foreign governments (Lybia, Egypt, Ukraine 2014, Syria attempted) or because the full scope of it was laid bare because people (unlikely) finally got sick enough of it all to defenestrate the whole mess.


56 posted on 02/27/2024 12:56:23 PM PST by Darksheare (Those who support liberal "Republicans" summarily support every action by same. )
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To: Timber Rattler
Oh yeah, poor Russia. Always forced to do truly awful things like invading neighboring countries, seizing their territories, leveling their towns and cities, and slaughtering their citizens.

If only America had that excuse. That the perceived problem or threat was immediately adjacent to us on our own borders, I mean.

We don't.

We go to a completely different continent when we invade.

57 posted on 02/27/2024 1:05:29 PM PST by marshmallow
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To: Empire_of_Liberty

Putin owns the Uniparty.. prove me wrong


58 posted on 02/27/2024 1:08:48 PM PST by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you don't understand, no explanation is possible)
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To: laplata

Well, I have never heard China saying to Russia that invading Ukrainian soil would be a “red line”...


59 posted on 02/27/2024 1:13:34 PM PST by USA-FRANCE
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To: Timber Rattler

“Riggght....Russia was just forced to attack Ukraine and slaughter all those people. NATO made them do it! How weak Russia must have been to be forced, FORCED into such awful behavior!”

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Victoria Nuland the US Secretary Under State to Ukraine admitted the CIA implemented the overthrow of President Yanukovych on the leaked phone call with U.S. Ambassador Pyatt in Ukraine.

Yanukovych understood the nature of the evil the US had planned for Ukraine and was repulsed by it, preferring to live in peace with Russia and definitely objected to NATO in Ukraine. The CIA wanted insisted on regime change in Ukraine to provoke war with Russia, i.e. WWIII.


60 posted on 02/27/2024 1:16:22 PM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51; Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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