Kensington Rune Stone

myself | 1-9-02 | myself

[crystalk]

Yah, these political correct environmentalists want to close us down, let us all freeze in the dark, they never read Leif Ericsson's description of how mild America was a thousand years ago, or of King Woden-lithi's description that 2700 years ago, Petersborough, ONT had a climate like Atlanta more or less, etc.

It would take centuries more of recent warming to get us back to where the North was back when Scandinavians were in their salad days.

Read Barry Fell's classic Bronze Age America, or any of his works...

[RebelDawg]

I'm just throwing this out for thought but didn't the Mayans have some sort of a legend about a blond man with blue eyes?

Maybe the Norse have been exploring a lot longer than we dare to think...

[waxhaw]

I'm of Norwegian descent on my mother's side (German and native American on my father's) and this sort of stuff always fascinates me. I'm remember reading (though now I don't remember where I read it) that the "Five Civilized Tribes" (of Last of the Mohican fame) traced their civilization back to the arrival of fair-haired, fair-eyed and fair-haired "strangers" in the land. Contemporary accounts of the physical appearance of those people belonging to the "Civilized" tribes describe many as having "clear" (not brown) eyes and as having many shades of hair color (from light-red to light-brown). Interesting stuff - given the propensity of the Vikings and Norseman to roam I have no doubt there were Scandinavians in North America (and probably South America as well) long before Columbus.

[dennisw]

Good stuff! I like Kennewick Man.

[crystalk]

Norse were at Peterborough, Ont, in 1700 BC era.

Yes, there was a whole panel on an interior mural at Chichen Itza that showed the Maya engaged in a naval battle with Vikings, but it was too politically incorrect, so it was sent to Mexico City to go into hiding.

Yes, Chichen was founded about 870 ad, just when so many Norse were fleeing over seas to escape the terrible rule of a certain king whose name I do not have before me. The Danish were of course at that point still the rank and file seamen, and if you look at your standard Maya dictionary with a little old-Danish in your head, you can amaze yourself.

Hint, when the Spanish came ashore and asked the name of the country, the Maya could not understand them, but responded with: "Uiy-ki-takn" ie "listen to them, listen to how they talk." That got made into "Yucatan," but the takn part is obviously cognate to Danish and English words for talk.

[Whilom]

Vi har de bra har ilandet.

[Bernard Marx]

Yes, there was a whole panel on an interior mural at Chichen Itza that showed the Maya engaged in a naval battle with Vikings, but it was too politically incorrect, so it was sent to Mexico City to go into hiding.

Cite please. And bump for later reading and comment.

[crystalk]

Gossip from my ten years of whiling away winters in Yucatan.

Never seen in print, its too dangerous.

[Citizen of the Savage Nation]

Read Barry Fell's classic Bronze Age America, or any of his works...

Funny that you mention it, I have...or I think its called America BC...that's the one I have.

[Free Trapper]

The Five Nations were the Mohawk,Seneca,Cayuga,Onondaga,and Oneida.The Five Civilized Tribes were the Choctaw,Chickasaw,Cherokee,Creek,and Seminole.

[okie01]

"...only the ignorant still deny that Norsemen had been all over the interior of North America, New Mexico, Colorado, most of Canada, even Oklahoma, for centuries and even millennia prior to 1362."

Fascinating stuff.

I'm aware of the Heavener stone in Oklahoma. But whence the New Mexico reference?

I ask because of the Three Rivers Petroglyph (between Alamogordo and Carrizozo in SE New Mexico), which I visited in the mid-sixties.

The site consists of a sprawl of basaltic boulders, most of them between knee and waist height, as I recall. At first, you're not aware of the glyphs. But, if you sit down and let your eyes wander over the site, you'll eventually spot one. And, then, you'll realize they are all around you -- everywhere.

One of the glyphs is, very clearly, a side view of a Viking ship -- complete with raised prow and stern, square sail and round shields mounted along the side rail. Either the Vikings visited this site...or somebody who had seen such a vessel had.

There were no attendants at the site (it is a National Recreational Area at the foot of the Sacramento Mountains), so I couldn't confirm what the professional interpretation was. Or even if they were aware of it -- there being literally thousands of glyphs in the area.

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Debunking The Kenington Rune Stone

[PUGACHEV]

I don't recall any interior murals of any sort at Chichen Itza, nor any place where they could have been except the pyramid, and there are no places there where a missing mural could have been taken from. Are you thinking about Balam Che, which is nearby? Even if you are, the story seems unlikely.

[Free Trapper]

The book In Plain Sight by Gloria Farley is a good read on Okie rhunes and rock carvings.

[YadaYada]

I have seen this site and I do have Gloria Farley's book. The stones in the US have many messages from people who were here long before Columbus.

[jrewingjr]

Anyone interested in Pre-Columbian North American history and archeology will enjoy this site, VERY interesting. Ancient American

The article "An Ancient North African Treasure-Trove in Southern Illinois" was amazing. Apparently fleeing Roman oppression, a bunch of first century AD Jews, Christians, and Mauritanian sailors made it all the way to Illinois, leaving artifacts behind.

[razorback-bert]

whole panel on an interior mural at Chichen Itza

Where was it, in the nunnery?

[crystalk]

I wish I could give you more data, but I believe it was Chichen, an obviously Norse-influenced site, and not Yaxhilan.

I might also note the many sites along the Atlantic seaboard, they finally let the northernmost one, at the very north tip of Newfoundland, be excavated in the Sixties, but there are 30 or 40 others in Newfl. alone, also some 30 in Nova Scotia, some 300 in New England, and a dozen south of that.

Holand and others have found about 200 norse objects in Minnesota, (and a few in Wis, Mich, ND) pertain to the era of 1362 or the Viking era...and then there is that whole fort on the Missouri 25 miles below Pierre, SD, on the east bank, isn't that Norse? Certainly European and medieval.

Yes, as I note the KRS has been debunked to death, but nobody ever seems to really convince anyone but himself, the stone is still there...

Magazines Atlantis Rising and Ancient American,

Site in New Hampshire just N of Boston, very good, aka America's Stonehenge.

Books by Pohl, Horsford, novels about the settlements. According to Edgar Cayce, viking settlements were continual and ongoing 1000-1500 in Massachusetts. Indeed, Mass and RI were Vinland, says he, and the suffix -sett (place of sett-lement, place fit for sett-lement) exists only there on the whole seaboard as a place name: Massachu-setts, Naragan-sett Bay, Nau-set, Somer-set, Assawompsett, Poppones=sett, look at a map, there are hundreds, each one once a Viking farm.

[crystalk]

At Chichen, they have all those hundreds of columns carved like warriors of different peoples, many many are Vikings, very nordic features, also Semitic and Negroes quite a few.