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Posted on 04/23/2002 11:50:04 AM PDT by history_matters

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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; history_matters
Parents can undo this. My grandparents, and papa had an enormous influence regarding the terrible disaster of this issue. I,too, passed it on to my children. We know what is wrong--as parents, we must teach our children.
161 posted on 04/23/2002 8:46:55 PM PDT by Angelique
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To: jlogajan
The overal suicide rate for women in now lower than it was in 1950.

Which has nothing to do with suicide rates among post-abortive women versus the population as a whole, as I'm sure you know.

SUICIDAL IDEATION AND SUICIDE ATTEMPTS: Approximately 60 percent of women who experience post-abortion sequelae report suicidal ideation, with 28 percent actually attempting suicide, of which half attempted suicide two or more times. Researchers in Finland have identified a strong statistical association between abortion and suicide in a records based study. The identified 73 suicides associated within one year to a pregnancy ending either naturally or by induced abortion. The mean annual suicide rate for all women was 11.3 per 100,000. Suicide rate associated with birth was significantly lower (5.9). Rates for pregnancy loss were significantly higher. For miscarriage the rate was 18.1 per 100,000 and for abortion 34.7 per 100,000. The suicide rate within one year after an abortion was three times higher than for all women, seven times higher than for women carrying to term, and nearly twice as high as for women who suffered a miscarriage. Suicide attempts appear to be especially prevalent among post-abortion teenagers.(13)


Abortion is Hazardous to Your Health
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The increasing health risks of partaking in ritual murder

Despite its obvious role in the direct destruction of innocent human life, the practice of abortion is increasingly resulting in other serious consequences for its perpetrators. As with other unnatural acts (sodomy, drug abuse, etc.), abortion is taking its natural toll on those indoctrinated with secular beliefs based on man's fallen nature rather than the divine Truth of God. While psychological and physiological afflictions resulting from abortion have been observed for some time, the research and evidence are reaching undeniable levels, admitted even by a "Women's Committee Expert" at the UN.1

Have such findings frightened those individuals and organizations interested in furthering the plague of abortion? Certainly not. They claim the cases to be fabrications, the research biased and the results tainted. They can see no possible way for abortion to do anything but good both for individuals and society. They come with their own figures and numbers and research and "experts" showing abortion to be a "harmless, risk-free" procedure. Those who proclaim the ultimate superiority of "freedom" and "choice" are unable to accept anything which contradicts their secular dogmas. But I guess if you'll believe a kicking, moving child with a beating heart is merely a mass of tissue which can be removed and discarded at whim, you'll believe anything.

Trauma, Depression and Suicide

In November of 2001, the United States Senate passed an appropriations bill for the departments of Labor, Health & Human Services and Education that gave official recognition to "post-abortion depression and post-abortion psychosis". In her National Review Online article, Kathryn Jean Lopez identified this as the "first federal recognition that women — other than the ones who actually die or are otherwise physically injured, by infections or worse, at the hands of abortionists — can actually suffer from something real: a genuine, medically recognized depression."

    The amendment implores the National Institutes of Health to "expand and intensify research and related activities ... with respect to post-abortion depression and post-abortion psychosis." While the amendment did not appropriate monies and will likely be dropped before the bill's final passage, Lopez notes, "it did acknowledge that a condition exists that heretofore had been denied, dismissed as bogus and nothing more than a pro-life tactic." 2
Catholics involved in "Project Rachel" efforts across the country have been aware of these problems for years:
    "Dr. Vincent Rue, Ph.D. tells us that post-abortive men and women re-experience the abortion in their memories, in dreams, in actions, in intense psychological distress, and in depression. In order to cope with these negative feelings, they use the defense mechanisms of denial, avoidance, numbing (psychological numbing as well as substance abuse), hyper-vigilance, and low self-esteem." 3
Such trauma can lead to depression and even suicide. An Italian study which concluded in August of 2001 demonstrated a strong correlation between elective abortions and female suicides.
    "The almost complete similarity of the seasonal rhythm of female suicides and that of voluntary abortion furnishes valid support for a strong relationship between the two," say researchers Angelo Cagnacci and Annibale Volpe at the University of Modena.4
The study examined data on over 500,000 abortions from 1995 to 1998 and published the results in the journal "Human Reproduction":
    RESULTS: The rate of voluntary abortions showed a seasonal rhythm with an amplitude of 6.1-6.7% and peaked in May (±38 days). The national frequency of female suicides, obtained from the same ISTAT database, showed a similar rhythm, with an amplitude of 11.1% and maximal rate in June (±37 days).

    CONCLUSIONS: The present data show a seasonal rhythm in the rate of voluntary abortion, which is almost identical to that of female suicides. This link suggests common provocative mechanisms and may indicate common preventative measures.5

Such problems are very real and very dangerous. While abortionists are quick to dismiss such cases as "self-imposed and misplaced guilt" perpetuated by pro-life groups, they have not been able to explain away the consistency of the findings across cultural, religious and social groups. Such results are found even in situations where societal support for abortion is very strong and mothers are almost completely shielded from the truth.

The Breast Cancer Link

Breast cancer is rapidly replacing "AIDS" as the "fashionable" medical cause of the day. Whether it be the latest Hollywood awards program, a local triathlon or an executive fundraiser, the urgency of breast cancer support is everywhere. Because of the almost exclusive effect upon women, feminist groups have been at the forefront on promoting such widespread breast cancer "awareness". In a tragic twist of irony, the evidence that breast cancer is linked to another feminist cause — elective abortion — has been met with embarrassment and denial.

"Women are at risk and they do not really know about it."
New York endocrinologist Dr. Joel Brind noted that such a correlation was observed as early as 1957 in Japan. Since then, evidence has been gathered from around the world "lending credence to the abortion-breast cancer connection."
    "Out of 37 independently published studies, 28 show a causal connection," Brind said. "And of those, 17 provide positive associations that reach statistical significance suggesting a 95-percent certainty that this association is not due to chance. That is scientific evidence which simply cannot be ignored." 6 (emphasis mine)
New York breast health specialist Dr. Angela Lanfranchi established the Breast Cancer Prevention Institute in Poughkeepsie three years ago to help spread information on the clear link between breast cancer and abortion.
    Lanfranchi said 13 out of 15 U.S. studies show an increased risk of developing breast cancer in women who have had abortions. ... "abortion is a completely avoidable risk factor." ... "It's a woman's right to know," said Lanfranchi, who advised her audience members to pray about the subject. "It's only right that a woman be informed of this risk." 7
If Planned Parenthood were truly concerned with the health of women rather than the unrepentant spread of their Satanic ideologies, they would have no problem informing their "patients" that abortion significantly increases the risk of breast cancer.

Just last month, a study in Britain found that abortion makes women nearly twice as likely to develop breast cancer. The study examined 22,000 women in England and Wales and the results led to some dire predictions:

    Patrick Carroll, researcher and author of the study, said the total number of breast cancer cases is expected to more than double from 35,110 in 1997 to 77,000 in 2023. The rise is "largely" because of abortions ... [The group which commissioned the study] accuses the British government, the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, and breast cancer charities of refusing to acknowledge that procured abortion makes breast cancer more likely. 8
Right after the study was released, several cases popped up in Australia of women suing abortion doctors for not properly informing them of the breast cancer risk:
    Although a confidentiality agreement prevents details of the settlement from being released, Australian attorney Charles Francis is confident that other cases can be brought against abortionists on the same grounds. "It seemed to me that the evidence [of an abortion breast cancer link] was fairly strong," Francis remarked, "certainly strong enough for a good chance of winning." 9
In fact, last August three women in California (Agnes Bernardo, Pamela Colip and Sandra Duffy-Hawkins) sued Planned Parenthood to force the infamous abortion provider to reveal the scientific evidence of the link between abortion and breast cancer:
    Patrick Gillen, the Thomas More Law Center's lead attorney in the case, explained that the complaint alleges that both PPFA and its San Diego affiliate consistently mislead women about the safety of abortion by obscuring evidence that induced abortion causes breast cancer. The plaintiffs are seeking no monetary damages. Rather, they want the court to compel Planned Parenthood to inform women that abortion poses a significant health risk in the form of increased vulnerability to breast cancer, the leading cause of death among middle-age women in America.10

"Yet 'safe, legal' abortion poses many dangers to the mother, not least of which is a greatly increased risk of breast cancer in succeeding years. And in the developing world, breast cancer is a death sentence."
What is becoming tragic in "civilized" countries is shaping up to become absolutely genocidal in those developing nations succumbing to UN pressure for "safe, legal, available" abortions.
    In the developing world ... because of the poor state of primary health care, women who get breast cancer are unlikely to have it diagnosed until it has reached an advanced stage. Those who do have it diagnosed are unlikely to get treatment. And even the lucky few who receive the relatively unsophisticated treatments available are unlikely to survive. ... By promoting, performing, and lobbying for the legalization of abortion, the International Planned Parenthood Federation claims to be reducing "maternal mortality." Yet "safe, legal" abortion poses many dangers to the mother, not least of which is a greatly increased risk of breast cancer in succeeding years. And in the developing world, breast cancer is a death sentence.11
One unfortunate side effect of the United States' recent victory over the Taliban has been the "liberation" of Afghan women to the horrors of abortion. The UNFPA, with the support of Planned Parenthood International and New York Senator Hillary Clinton, has thus far been successful in legalizing abortion in the post-Taliban government and establishing large "family planning" (i.e. "baby killing") programs. This sort of integration into a Muslim culture may be a first step in overcoming the strong opposition to UN "family planning" policies among Arab nations:
    "It is likely that the new government has been under heavy pressure by the UN and other major international agencies to accept abortion, contraception, and sex education programs as one condition for receiving the huge foreign aid that it requires. Such aid blackmail has become standard procedure in recent years. As well, it would be reasonable to assume that the agencies see the Afghanistan situation as an opportunity to make an important inroad into the entire Muslim world in order to corrupt its normally pro-child culture. During UN conferences the past few years Muslim delegations have often been crucial to the successes that halted some of the UN attempts to impose radical changes to life, family, and religious cultures throughout the world." 12
As was seen with the reprehensible offer of free abortions and red, white and blue condoms in New York after the September 11th attacks, the armies of Satan are never at rest and willing to take advantage of every opportunity and opening to spread their evils.

Conclusion

Those who promote abortion as a "choice" or a victimless, harmless operation are finding themselves faced with an increasing body of evidence which is becoming harder and harder to deny. Given the clear damage and health risks that have resulting from what they consider a "liberating" practice, their credibility is slipping.

The "solutions" they promote for the problems of the world are completely dictated by their man-made and shifting ideologies. When sodomites and drug addicts perpetuate an outbreak of crime and disease, liberals ignore the obvious cause and propose "safe measures" and "acceptance training" in vain hope to lessen their effects. When abortion leads to trauma and depression, they seek a solution through "therapy". When an increase in breast cancer results, it's time to deny causal factors and find a "cure". Again, it's a wonder that individuals who reject all religious truths as "irrational" are completely willing to accept outrageous and inconsistent secular dogmas that run contrary to human reason and conscience.

What a wonderful thing it is to live in such a "rational" world.

Peter Miller
Seattle, WA
1/25/2002


162 posted on 04/23/2002 8:53:25 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Angelique
Well, I think certainly everyone can warn their children, their siblings, and their friends that they need to be careful in the area of sexuality, that they need to resist predation in this area, and that they need to report anyone (even a priest) who does this kind of thing right away.
163 posted on 04/23/2002 8:59:52 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Homosexual behavior increases risk of AIDS - Dr. Brian J. Kopp, DPM

That would seem to be outside your specialty, which would include: Bunions, Corns, Callouses, Hammer toes, Warts, Athlete's foot, Toenail fungus, Diabetic ulcers, Flat feet, Peripheral neuropathy, Ingrown toenails, Heel pain, Club foot, Foot & ankle fractures, Puncture wounds, Varicose veins, Swollen ankles, Cold or numb feet, Foot odor, Fallen arches, Tired feet, Sports injuries, etc.

164 posted on 04/23/2002 9:04:41 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: jlogajan
Oh give your faux outrage a rest. You religionists have been ridiculing every other religion since the dawn of man

Funny thing - that's all one hears from the majority of atheists - bitching & moaning. Sort of like being in the perpetual state of needing Midol.

. As an atheist I face the bile from religionists every day. Now I should worry about their feelings?

LOL! Oh the melodrama! Never mind having your ears chewed off by atheists wailing how everyone should think as they do based on his or her "reason". Funny thing - they never seem to know when to shut the hell up- they're so in love with their "reason". Verbal Mike Tysons & damn bores. But as a non-believer I don't have to worry about hurting their little feeling now, do I?

And why is it that some atheists deem to speak for other non-believers when it come to homosexuality? You're not under the silly illusion that all atheists think that homosexuality is natural, now do you? How shocking!

If they want to preach in their churches -- let them.

Well, now that's downright nice of you.

But they are always trying to mandate their nutty beliefs via the power of the state (anti-homo laws, teaching nutball creationism in public schools, etc.) If they can't stand the heat ...

I want in on this! Talking about nutty beliefs. How about atheists declaring that there is no such thing as evil, ergo genocide cannot be evil but rather just a lowering of the overpopulation problem. Oh yeah that's not nutty.

165 posted on 04/23/2002 9:09:56 PM PDT by Solon
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
"The overal suicide rate for women in now lower than it was in 1950."

Which has nothing to do with suicide rates among post-abortive women versus the population as a whole, as I'm sure you know.

It would seem that if the suicide rate for ALL women was down, then it would be hard to explain a purported increase in one sector without explaining a concomittent offsetting decrease in another sector.

As it turns out, younger women do kill themselves more often than in 1950 and older women less offten, but MORE younger men kill themselves now than in 1950, a higher increase than for women in the same age group -- which obviously can't be explained by being abortion candidates.

166 posted on 04/23/2002 9:10:04 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: jlogajan
My medical specialty is podiatry. However, I am also a freelance writer, examining Culture of Life issues mostly, and I have been published in several national Catholic periodicals, and I even get paid for my free lance writing occasionally. I corroborate with one of the leading abortion/breast cancer researchers, and serve as an officer of the board of his research foundation. I know a little more about the culture of death than some, and a lot less than many.

However, your slur does not lessen the Truth of my posts.

167 posted on 04/23/2002 9:15:39 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: jlogajan
Your understanding of epidemiology is terribly flawed. Or maybe you understand it quite well, but hope that clouding the issue of increased suicide among women who have had abortion by bringing in the totally independant factor of increases among men, will provide cover for your deception.

By the way, are you gay? A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

168 posted on 04/23/2002 9:20:29 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
However, your slur does not lessen the Truth of my posts.

It wasn't a slur, it pointed out your speciality -- I copied that list of ailments directly from a podiatry site.

I'm just saying it puts us on the same footing. (a har har)

170 posted on 04/23/2002 9:25:51 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
then it would be hard to explain a purported increase in one sector without explaining a concomittent offsetting decrease in another sector.

No it wouldn't. We have much better anti-depression meds today than 50 years ago, physicians are more likely to diagnose and treat depression, and thus suicide has decreased overall in those instances where it was due to organic disorder. However, suicide among the subgroup of those who have had abortion has been found to be higher than those who have not, even while overall rates of suicide may be declining.

This is not difficult to comprehend.

171 posted on 04/23/2002 9:27:11 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: jlogajan
Unless you are a physician and surgeon with 11 years of schooling and training, as well as a nationally published free lance author, I doubt we are on the same footing.

By the way, are you gay?

172 posted on 04/23/2002 9:29:26 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
clouding the issue of increased suicide among women who have had abortion by bringing in the totally independant factor of increases among men, will provide cover for your deception.

The link between suicide and abortion has to be made subjectively. If the rate of suicide (highest for white elderly males, by the way) has increased faster for young males than for young females -- then that subjective link is called into question. One would have expected more total suicides in the female population since 1950, not less. Your epidemic of female suicides just doesn't seem to be materializing. Your subjective link is seriously in doubt.

173 posted on 04/23/2002 9:31:05 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: jlogajan
Has anyone studied whether legalizing abortion has reduced the suicide rate among men? I'm out of here. Cheers.
174 posted on 04/23/2002 9:32:35 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Unless you are a physician and surgeon with 11 years of schooling and training

I'll take my facts from peer reviewed publications, thanks all the same.

175 posted on 04/23/2002 9:32:36 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: jlogajan
Are you gay?
176 posted on 04/23/2002 9:33:29 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: jlogajan
That would seem to be outside your specialty, which would include: Bunions, Corns, Callouses, Hammer toes, Warts, Athlete's foot, Toenail fungus, Diabetic ulcers, Flat feet, Peripheral neuropathy, Ingrown toenails, Heel pain, Club foot, Foot & ankle fractures, Puncture wounds, Varicose veins, Swollen ankles, Cold or numb feet, Foot odor, Fallen arches, Tired feet, Sports injuries, etc.

As opposed to your specialty which would be...????? I'm quite sure your chosen profession makes you exceedingly more qualified to speak authoritatively on this matter, right?

177 posted on 04/23/2002 9:37:37 PM PDT by Shethink13
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To: stands2reason
Or is the story still, Priests, being forced to deal with unnatural celibacy and sexual morality, finally lost it and began attacking young children, mainly boys because the church teach women are inferior, so having sex with them would be like having sex with animals? Well, this is the libertine pitch: that all repression of sexual urges is wrong. This is why people with AIDS insist on having sex without condoms: it's unnatural.
178 posted on 04/23/2002 9:45:00 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Stone Mountain
If they don't indulge in homosexuality at all (i.e. stay celibate) is that still an abomination?

What defines homosexuality? If someone doesn't ever engage in the acts are they a homosexual? Or is a homosexual someone who has sex with a member of their same gender?

179 posted on 04/23/2002 9:45:11 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: jlogajan
I'll take my facts from peer reviewed publications, thanks all the same.

I see. So the extent of your qualifications is that you can read. Let me see - what to do, what to do....

Do I take the side of a trained physician on issues of health, or do I side with a guy who reads peer reviewed publications and pretends to know it all? Gee, that's a tough one...

180 posted on 04/23/2002 9:47:31 PM PDT by Shethink13
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