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Francis Cardinal George, Archbishop of Chicago, claims RCF has no evidence
Roman Catholic Faithful ^ | Spring/Summer 2001 | Stephen Brady

Posted on 04/25/2002 4:43:48 PM PDT by history_matters

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To: patent
I think everyone here is making very good points. I think those in the diocese have defended George quite well. I also think History Matters' point about Brady being harsh because of the incredible battle he has fought has to be considered. Rush always said soldiers kill people and break things. Maybe we ought to look at Brady from the perspective of his being a warrior, which means he's not a diplomat at this juncture. V's wife.
61 posted on 04/26/2002 7:21:23 AM PDT by ventana
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To: history_matters
I think our model in seeking cleansing of the Church should be St. Catherine of Siena IMO because she was a lay woman, a 3rd order Dominican, and did not flinch when God called on her to speak the truth to Pope, cardinals, clergy, politicians, laity. She also never lost sight of the dignity that attends the office of Pope, bishop, priest, deacon, religious. She raised high the standard and called to individuals in those offices to live up to the high calling of Christ Crucified and Risen.
A timely suggestion: St. Catherine of Siena's feastday is this coming Monday, April 29. She was a "holy anorectic" who rarely slept, virtually lived on the Eucharist, and was highly instrumental in convincing the Pope to return to Rome from Avignon.

No, St. Catherine did not flinch from the Truth, which she properly understood to have a force of its own. Mr. Brady, would be well advised to emulate St. Catherine's faith in the intrinsic force of Truth to make his point and less on histrionics.

62 posted on 04/26/2002 7:46:18 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: eastsider; ventana; history matters
We can name several of the great reformers who never flinched from the truth, who fought a corupt Church and raised it back up. They all spoke with true Charity though. The truth for the benefit of the sinner, not for scoring rhetorical points. We need to fight right now, and it needs to be a fight for the Church, not for us.

patent

63 posted on 04/26/2002 7:49:52 AM PDT by patent
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To: american colleen
Law is out of here in June

If this is true, then it is best for the flock. This is unfortunate, but the Church should learn a valuable lesson from all this.

PS: I asked to mention Deacons because they also are not immune to falls. We had a deacon arrested in our diocese for sexual abuse. All good deacons, priests and bishops, to include all the honorary titles as well, need mucho prayers!

64 posted on 04/26/2002 8:43:58 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: Antoninus
However, when we attempted to provide you with photos of clergy misconduct last year in connection with the St. Sebastian Website, you faxed me a letter in which you said that you would not look at these homosexual photos because they could be a near occasion of sin for you.
What are we, the faithful, to make of such a statement from a Prince of the Church?
The first statement above that Mr. Brady attributes to Cardinal George, taken out of context, does seem to cast aspersions on the Cardinal's character. Having followed a link to the RCF website the other evening, however, the vile graphics that Mr. Brady has posted there say more to me about Mr. Brady's character than the Cardinal's. IMO, the Cardinal showed charitable restraint.
65 posted on 04/26/2002 8:53:30 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: patent
We need to fight right now, and it needs to be a fight for the Church, not for us.
Bump.
66 posted on 04/26/2002 8:54:37 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: patent
The truth for the benefit of the sinner, not for scoring rhetorical points. We need to fight right now, and it needs to be a fight for the Church, not for us.

This is very sage advice. Thank you.

67 posted on 04/26/2002 8:56:27 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: history_matters
His comparing of Brady's tone to that of "Call to Action" stinks of hubris and hate.

Bet he amused himself with that one.

68 posted on 04/26/2002 9:02:22 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: history_matters
What is the St. Sebastian site?
69 posted on 04/26/2002 9:09:19 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: patent; eastsider; ventana; american colleen; slyfox
If Brady continues to write letters like this no one will ever listen.

Some will listen, patent. The question as always is the fruit that comes from such a thing.

Because of RCF and the late Fr. Hardon, of blessed memory, the Vatican already had an enormous amount of information before this scandal broke. I know that the Church's thinking is glacial and its movements usually slow. But the festering scab has been ripped off the wound, and now is the time for a vigorous Vatican-directed disinfecting and cleansing.

[I understand from a SSPX friend that their chapels were overflowing this last Sunday. I am not surprised to hear that, nor am I surprised when I hear many Episcopalian churches in the northeast have had a sudden influx of refugee Catholics. I pray for them all in their confusion and despair.]

Since many feel that Cardinal George has been moving steadily in the proper direction -- if too slow for some -- then I hope this current moment opens the door for him to move with all do haste to cut out the cancer and cleanse the archdiocese from top to bottom.

70 posted on 04/26/2002 9:12:25 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: heyheyhey
He's got a lot of painful and slow clean-up to do.

I appreciate your position and your defenses re: same.

Still, the banning of General Absolution overnight should be a no-brainer.

71 posted on 04/26/2002 9:13:53 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
The St. Sebastian website is a Yahoo Group for homosexual priests and bishops to hook up with each other and to share pornographic images and lewd messages. One of the ringleaders is a bishop in South Africa. It is obscene and demonic in the extreme.
72 posted on 04/26/2002 9:14:32 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: history_matters
Please, no witch hunts oK?
73 posted on 04/26/2002 9:15:21 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: history_matters
I hope this current moment opens the door for him to move with all do haste

And there will be proof in the pudding. Hopeful the beleaguered traditional will take the bit in their teeth now that the homosexuals and pervs have dropped the reins for a moment.

74 posted on 04/26/2002 9:15:55 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: heyheyhey
I thought you should know this before you condemn the Lord's Anointed.

Your comment was really unnecessary.

75 posted on 04/26/2002 9:17:19 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: history_matters
Did your investigation reveal that RCF DID have evidence?
76 posted on 04/26/2002 9:17:51 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
Please, no witch hunts oK?

What are you trying to say?

77 posted on 04/26/2002 9:20:32 AM PDT by history_matters
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To: history_matters
OK, you posed an inflammatory subject matter. DID you find, that the RCF DID have evidence? I don't need to look one pixel lower at the convo, I want your truth in advertising here. DID the RCF have evidence that Cardianal George buried? Yes or no, was he a liar or not?
78 posted on 04/26/2002 9:23:24 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: history_matters
Simple question, you used "claim" you crated doubt in the presentation ... what did you find MacGiver?
79 posted on 04/26/2002 9:26:13 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
John Jacob Jingleheimer Shmitz ....
80 posted on 04/26/2002 9:29:42 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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